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Sprints rule

YES THEY DO..WHAT IS ALL THIS PETTYNESS..GET WITH THE DEAL AND HELP ..INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PULL IT DOWN

You seem like a reasonable guy,where else can the ford motors run? The class wasn't meant to be an anything goes class,and the more different paths in rules splinters the class even more.What started as a 305 with stock heads went to ported heads,aftermarket heads,small wings,large wings,racesaver and now a 302 that is a totally different engine altogether.Why people want to screw with the 1 affordable class for no good reason, most of us with good sense don't understand.

There is a picture of a $22,000 Racesaver motor with a supposed 500+ HP on Facebook right now. What were you all saying about cost savings?

THERE IS NO CHEAP RACECAR......

Disclaimer: I am not totally against Racesaver, just showing an example that it won't "save" the class as everyone thinks it will. People will spend what their wallet allows. If you can build one for $5,000, that's fine. But apparently someone else can build one for $22,000....and you are going to tell me it won't be just a little faster?

I agree though, it is time to stop changing rules every year. We already have parts that are obsolete, every rule change just makes that pile a little bigger.

My question is " What is a positive to changing the rules at Knoxville or Midwest 305?"

We are up to three pages into this and besides people from 800 miles away saying " Just change to racesaver" I haven't seen one positive comment. Yet sounds like change is happening.

I've had two motors on the track at Knoxville almost every weekend for the last two years. I sure haven't seen a reason to change the rules. It is my opinion we have had a good car count and great racing.

This rule change might hinder or sideline us in the 305 division and I can't believe it wouldn't hinder other teams budgets.

It is obvious the motors will not cost less, we just have to go out and buy a new one to be competitive.

You don't need a new motor, just change the heads to racesaver and go to wet sump. All the rest is pretty much the same. I know the rules work at Knox but it limits anyone coming there and expecting to be competitive.

Sprints rule

Cool..

Texas doesn't have any other sprint car racing though. If they had 410 and 360 racing, each class would probably only have 6 or 7 cars in it....

You can't compare what is happening in TX with Iowa. The Iowa Sprint car teams have more OPTIONS, They can run 410 @ Knoxville and with MOWA, they can 360's at Knoxville, Burlington (unless they dropped them) and with ASCS Midwest or they can run 305's (Knoxville, Burlington, MW305, Bloomfield).

What I'm saying is you're only going to have XX amount of drivers that WANT to drive sprintcars period. Further splintering the sport doesn't increase car counts, it decreases them (because contrary to popular belief, 360's and 410's are NOT that much more expensive. All of the weekly expenses are EXACTLY the same (tires, shocks, pit passes, etc.). The difference is that the purses for 410 and 360 are HIGHER than 305 purses and that justifies the motor expense being higher.

It's no different than owning a Racehorse. If you're going to spend $100,000 on a horse are you going to have it race in PODUNK for paltry purses of $500 or are you going to maybe spend $200,000 on a horse and race it somewhere else where they race for purses of $2500 or spend $300,000 on a horse and race it somewhere else where they race for purses of $5000 and sometimes they race for $100,000 or more? Sprint car racing is the same thing. Sure, it might SOUND cheaper, but the up front cost is the ONLY thing that is different, you still have to pay stable fees, pay a rider, the difference is that $300,000 horse has more OPPORTUNITIES to make more $$ than it cost (becuase all the big $$ events are for those horses, not some plough puller you bought from the local farmer that you race in PODUNK).

LEAVE YOUR RULES ALONE AND YOUR CLASS WILL GROW. UNTIL THERE ARE USED PARTS FOR PEOPLE TO BUY TO GET INTO THE CLASS, CAR COUNTS WILL NOT INCREASE AND COULD DECREASE (current teams NEED new teams to sell their used equipment to so they can upgrade or move up a class). Changing your rules every year or every couple years only HURTS your car count.

Tire debate for 410's is the same. If they have the same tire rule for 410, 360 and 305, it's cheaper for EVERYONE, the 410's and 360's that buy NEW tires every time they race can sell their USED tires to another team and recoup some $$$. The teams buying used tires becuase it's all they can afford have supply out there and they don't have to buy NEW tires (because those teams couldn't use the USED tires that were on the market). It's good for all of them. Now, go to one brand or compound for 410's, another brand and compound for 360's and yet another brand and compound for 305's and you COST THEM ALL MORE MONEY.

all i can say is we have a 34 raceway 305 with an old hillborn and it was about 9,000 to build...since the last time we had it freshened (september 2010) it has 36 nights on it...4 wins (last when was the last time we ran it bout 2 weeks ago) a hard charger award with the local 360 series and is still a great motor...we dont have much in our car we got an 06 twister chassis, our injection is ancient and wore out but when your wide open it runs great. 34 Raceway has a great field of cars and i already know that there are 3 more drivers starting next year that have already built or bought motors that are set up for 34 Raceway...I enjoy racing at 34 Raceway and thanks to the owners for keeping things going the same for 6 years. its a great class there and its still growing.

We have raced at Knoxville weekly and traveled to 34 Raceway when possible. I don't see a big demand from 305 teams from out of the area to come to Knoxville. We have had a great car count (over 20 almost every night) from local guys(Iowa,Omaha and Missouri).

This is without any cars from 34 Raceway. Can you imagine if we had cross over between the two tracks. With the amount of cars at Kville and 34 Raceway. Do we need to change the rules?

Would a racesaver motor race look good at Knoxville? lap times

It's easy to talk about changing motor rules when you don't have a car racing there.

I think Burlington and Knoxville have to be the same 305 rules. Sure you could have different ways of getting 305. One problem is that who is going to be promoter? Burlington is for sale, and Knoxville has no promoter/manager.