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Thats it,people are quick to forget the fact that he donated ALL Tshirt money sales to help his fellow racer & friend Travis Rilat when he was in need.

ALSO when he won the Morgan Cup Challenge at the Grove he DONATED that money to CHARITY, even tho the guy could really use that money! Not many people know about that!

Therefore, you should not send him any money. This is the great thing about America. In this case, you have a choice. (unlike taxes) Many feel sorry for him and choose to send him their money. This is their opinion and their choice. I will not be sending him any money myself, but might consider it if i were well off and all of my bills were paid. I am still on the fence as far as which way to lean on this touchy subject, but I still feel the penalty he got was similar to getting a speeding ticket for doing 56 MPH in a 55 zone. Yes, what he did was not legal, BUT, a warning would have sufficed. I see both sides (no pun intened) of the argument, but lean more towards common sense in this case. I think they should've paid him with a little talking to in the trailer. My opinion.

Several people keep harping on the idea that he signed a contract & he needs to abide by it. What they fail to realize is that a contract is a 2 way street. If the rules state he needs permission to race elsewhere, WoO has an obligation to reply promptly (before the race!) if he asks for permission, ESPECIALLY if others are allowed to race.

I'm sure Jason is a lot richer than me. I didn't "give" him money, I bought a T-shirt to show support....

That goes exactly back to one of the points I was making. If the Outlaws are that unfair and play favorites to such a terrible degree, why would anyone run right back to such a horribly, horribly unfair organization? Bitching and moaning about such "unfairness" while still following the tour seems like a lot of lip service without much behind it.

seems like a lot of lip service without much behind it.

Seems to me that fits you a lot more than it doe's Jason... Didn't you even bother to read any of the post's on this thread, or what?

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Where have you been reading contracts at?

I SUPPORT JASON SIDES FROM DOWN UNDER

Hi singlefile, just in case you missed my post, you seem to be missing my points to your points! Seems you don't have much backing up your lip service, so please read, because I do!

Ok here goes, Those of you that want to sit behind your keyboards and give your opinions, and down a man that wants to make a living, grow some nads and post under your real name. I know for a fact that Jason Sides has NOT asked for anyone to make donations to him. This was brought on by, not one, but many many fans that wanted to support a person that they believed in and wanted to help out Sides and Sides Motorsports. If Im correct, the person that started the auctions and support site came from down under in Aussie land. For the person that says Sides don't need money to race that he has money. Let me enlighten you, Jason is a hard worker, he does more with less than any other team running and he does NOT have lots of money. Some ask why he went back to WOO/WRG. Well he DID NOT go back to them! He was approached with a 2012 contract and refused to sign it. He gets NO tow money, He gets NO pit passes. When he shows up at the track to race, he's not there for WOO, he's not there to help WOO with a car count, he's there to work, he's there to race, he's there for a pay check at the end of the night. Most of these tracks hire WOO/WRG to show up, these tracks pay a sanction fee and these tracks need paying fans to come and watch the races. Jason has many many fans across the country and I can gaurentee you some show up and pay thier way in to see Sides run. So I doubt that the tracks are upset that Jason and Sides Motorsports rig are sitting at the gates waiting to get in so he can race with some of the best. You ask why would he race with WOO after being screwed. This is a simple one to answer, you see it's not about racing a Woo event, it's about racing with Steve Kinser, Joey Saldana, Donny Schatz, Craig Dollansky, and others. Sides has run with this group for 8 years, every race. He knows he can run side by side, he knows this group of guys and how they run, he knows what moves they may make or not make, he knows the safety of thier equipment. He knows whos gonna do a slide job and whos gonna cut down, because he's run 100% of the races for eight solid years with them. Now before you start to get your panties in a wad or up your crack, Im not bashing any other series or drivers, just trying to explain a situation here. Jason has a family to support, a wife, a kid, a home mortgage, utilities, and food to put on the table. His job is racing. Some of us could only wish to do what we love for a paycheck. Without telling things that should wait for court, people don't know the whole story, Jason is doing what he feels is the right thing, rather Jason wins or looses, he stood up and did what he feels is right. I and many many others support him and will support him no matter which way the court rules. But before you judge the man that is making a living for his family, sit back wait, find out all the facts and truth before passing judgement. Oh, the weather in March in California is so much nicer than March weather in Pa. Let's think about this one too, $10,000 to win or $3500 to win! Just one more thing, my name is Pam,you can contact me @ [email protected], Thanks!

1. Sides broke his contract

2. WOO handled this (legally) correctly but made a poor public relations decision

3. Even though the WOO will likely never owe Jason a dime, it will likely cost them more in the court of public opinion judging by 50% of the posts on this forum

4. Those who truly believe Jason got screwed and have extra cash around will exercise their legal right to donate their hard earned money to Jason's cause.

5 The other 50% of the folks on this site (all who apparently have legal degrees) will continue to bash those who choose to (god forbid) voice their opinion that the WOO is an organization that gives favoritism (like many other organizations and sanctioning bodies do) to certain racers and says "piss on the rest".

6. WOO and Sides motorsports will likely still be on the track in future and none of this crap will matter. go out and enjoy the racing and let the court system handle the rest of this crap.

This would fall under the logical theory of "if you build it, they will come". "If" and I do say "if" no WoO existed and a track ran a race with similar pay to that of the current WoO, the big boys would be there. See the "Big Game Shoot Out" at Jackson Speedway in Jackson, MN last year. $12,000 to win and $800 to start. WoO were not allowed to race and still a ton of big names not contracted under the WoO there along with a sold out crowd.

Yo Pam.... I'm taking that ending as a "bash" to the PA faithful. 10K to win? how many WoO wins has Jason had in his career? Please don't include the night he "fell into" a kings royal win with a 12th place car after 15 tire explosions that he somehow kept air in the tires to cross the line first. Jason is a helluva racer....I'll give him that... but I'll tell ya what... he'd make a better living racing full weekends in Pennsylvania than he does on the road with the WoO. Ask Daryn Pittman.... and Sides couldn't hold his jock strap.

Wow.. (and I was born in PA so that makes me Possee, eh?)

First Point: Jason has 12 WOO victories... How many have you had? How many people have tried for years but never did?

I don't think Pam's answer was a poke at PA but rather stating the obvious.. The weather IS better in CA at this time of the year.. Why would that get your panties in a wad over that?

The King's Royal... geez, when Walker won it with tires-a-popping that didn't seem to bother you from your reply... The Golden Rule of Racing - In order to finish first, first you have to finish... Jason conserved and did not abuse his tires (as he has a very good knack for doing) - if it had been you, would you have given the trophy back? Didn't think so....

As for your fascination with Pitman's Jock, I know Pitman as well - raced with him for years.. He is a good driver with great equipment and backing. Jason is a good driver with good equipment and the racecar winnings and some great friends and people helping as much as they can fund the team.

What one could draw from these statements is they are both good drivers. When you have won 12 WOO races, NST races, many ASCS and USCS races with no major financial backing, then you can judge him...

Regarding PA tracks, one of my goals before I croak is to see a race at Lernerville and Williams Grove. I say this knowing that running a track often helps drivers learn the track. Obviously local drivers run them more... The same analogy would exist if your Possee Boys came down here to the Ditch in West Memphis, Arkansas and see how they run against locals that run it every week... I've seen it... they don't do well here... Is that a bad thing? NO! I loved watching them compete...

Please believe there was no bashing intended. I love Pa., Been at many Pa. races when the Woo wasn't there. Im a Hodnett fan and even have a shirt or two, I been to beer hill on a occassion or two. Have many Pa posse friends, so to think it was a bash to the Pa, your wrong. I also am a Daryn fan. Now I have no clue on either guys jock strap though, I will leave that up to Mandy and Farrah to worry about. It's racing season, lets go racing, see you at the Grove, Lernerville, Lincoln, and heck maybe if you come to Ohio, I will see you there.

I support Sides Motorsports and Jason!!!!

Someone said, "That goes exactly back to one of the points I was making. If the Outlaws are that unfair and play favorites to such a terrible degree, why would anyone run right back to such a horribly, horribly unfair organization?"

Simple. Money talks. Haven't you ever stayed at a job where the boss was a prick, but you needed the money?

Been there and done that. Have you ever complained about a price of a race ticket but still continue to go, I have!

And how many times in these threads have you complained that you don't like my opinion on this topic? You were the one that sent me a rambling e-mail complaining that I didn't have the "correct" opinion (in other words, the same opinion as yours) on the topic. I didn't ask you to send me a personal e-mail. I wasn't the one that wrote to you, or anyone in this thread, for that matter.

LOL Seems kinda weird to claim to that anyone who ("God forbid," in your terms) doesn't agree with your opinion is "bashing" in the same thread where you make the condescending claim that anyone who doesn't agree with Sides apparently has a legal degree. Not everyone out there agrees with the way the topic gets portrayed on here as the Sprint Car equivalent of Old Yeller in terms of sad stories. Seems like most of the personal attacks of posters are coming from people that are Jason Sides supporters or fans.

this entire exercise exposes a mere sliver of what happens when an organization gets in the business of PAYING RACERS NOT TO RACE...the "rules" for NOT RACING appear to bend depending on who is on the other end of the phone and WTF good comes out of that?

easy answer - a bunch of pissed of energy and a lawsuit

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Totally agree with you that this would happen to some extent.

I just don't see 70-80 events being replaced with similar paying shows. And without an organizing body there would likely be scheduling conflicts for prime dates, no logical flow geographically for travel, no travel subsidy, no season points purse, etc.

Under this scenario I think drivers would be scattered at events. And I think without an organized national tour there are implications on sponsorships, team owners like Tony, Kasey, Tod Quiring, etc being involved, and whether there would even be any "true outlaw" nationally touring drivers.