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October 26, 2011 at
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Posted By: brian26 on October 25 2011 at 08:28:25 PM
Here's the confusion for me on this car
Jack Wickett of Tulsa had a modified that supposedly was this car, and then Emmitt Hahn used supposedly this car as a #55 TG super at OkC, at the same time.
I have it in my head Jackie built this car. Were there 2 or more of these cars specifically? I am not referring to the 4 bar cars Jackie brought in later, but the Del Torrance style super, and does any copy of these still exist?
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I do not know how many of these cars were built but they all look a like. I knew Jim Mooris pretty good and he always said that the car that he and Emmitt won the OKC championship with was the ex Torrance car. That car was torn up pretty bad at Tulsa in the Jim Harrkness wreck that is on the Tulsa site. Maybe Alan Keith knows more about this, he worked for Jim after Jim bought Joe cox Grinding. There might have been several frames around, the first Jack Wickett modified looked like this frame but did not have an open tube rear or knock off hubs. Wayne wisely had 2 or 3 cars that looked very similar to the Torrance car, did Jackie build all these cars? There is a picture in the NCRA yearbook with Shady driving the 55 and Emmitt next o him in the Zink Car.
I had all the staples removed today we stopped counting at 50 and everything is going great. I still hurt a lot but that will get better and i am 2-3 inches taller. Thanks to everybody for all your thoughts and prayers.
Ray
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October 26, 2011 at
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Posted By: Bkcr on October 26 2011 at 03:05:22 PM
I do not know how many of these cars were built but they all look a like. I knew Jim Mooris pretty good and he always said that the car that he and Emmitt won the OKC championship with was the ex Torrance car. That car was torn up pretty bad at Tulsa in the Jim Harrkness wreck that is on the Tulsa site. Maybe Alan Keith knows more about this, he worked for Jim after Jim bought Joe cox Grinding. There might have been several frames around, the first Jack Wickett modified looked like this frame but did not have an open tube rear or knock off hubs. Wayne wisely had 2 or 3 cars that looked very similar to the Torrance car, did Jackie build all these cars? There is a picture in the NCRA yearbook with Shady driving the 55 and Emmitt next o him in the Zink Car.
I had all the staples removed today we stopped counting at 50 and everything is going great. I still hurt a lot but that will get better and i am 2-3 inches taller. Thanks to everybody for all your thoughts and prayers.
Ray
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I posted on this earlier, and my memory wasn't straight. I was a neighbor to Joe Stroud who was the only full time (paid) mechanic on the Budmobile during Emmett's run. I was the block man starting out (Boring, sleeving, relieving) but hung out when other hands were needed and gathered lots of knowledge from being in the trenches. I earlier thought it might have been Dale Looper who took it out of the park, but after investigating found the picture sequence of Harkness walking away from it. It was bent up pretty bad, but in 2 days it was straightened, patched and put on the trailer for going to Joplin on Tuesday. I think with a different driver since Del wasn't the type to hang in with someone if he thought they were too costly with equipment. That car was the only frame they had from when Jackie and Denny built it. I don't remember anything like it in 1969 but there must have been several copy cats. I even copied it except for making mine wider by a few inches, and planned on a springers front and rear. My plan was to run Flathead Ford so I could run with Alcohol, Magneto, and a 330 cube limit. I needed seat time, and knew it wouldn't be a front runner, but with the "old timers" who loved those Flatties I knew I'd get a lot of help from them. It never materialized, but I did copy that frame after a few weeks the bent up frame was hauled out back and the Budmobile had a new frame. Joe decided to build a car out of that frame, and he and I cut and patched on the cage and front frame area to "clean up" the look, but I questioned the safety. Now with the greater knowledge I have, I'm sure it was safe, but heavy because of the inner tube splicing we did. That car, the original #1 was bought by Eldon Harp who owned the cars Gene Daniel drove, and this was his first Super ride. By the way I had quit anything to do with racing just prior to Gene fatal accident but took my future wife to a race that happened to have Gene's fatal wreck. I knew the volunteer paramedic who attended him on LifeFlight and said his neck stretched pulling his Aorta in two. He died the next day as I recall. It was a very fast side over roll, and Gene was a smaller framed guy in real good shape. Just too many G's I guess.
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October 26, 2011 at
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Posted By: studieman on October 26 2011 at 05:42:33 PM
I posted on this earlier, and my memory wasn't straight. I was a neighbor to Joe Stroud who was the only full time (paid) mechanic on the Budmobile during Emmett's run. I was the block man starting out (Boring, sleeving, relieving) but hung out when other hands were needed and gathered lots of knowledge from being in the trenches. I earlier thought it might have been Dale Looper who took it out of the park, but after investigating found the picture sequence of Harkness walking away from it. It was bent up pretty bad, but in 2 days it was straightened, patched and put on the trailer for going to Joplin on Tuesday. I think with a different driver since Del wasn't the type to hang in with someone if he thought they were too costly with equipment. That car was the only frame they had from when Jackie and Denny built it. I don't remember anything like it in 1969 but there must have been several copy cats. I even copied it except for making mine wider by a few inches, and planned on a springers front and rear. My plan was to run Flathead Ford so I could run with Alcohol, Magneto, and a 330 cube limit. I needed seat time, and knew it wouldn't be a front runner, but with the "old timers" who loved those Flatties I knew I'd get a lot of help from them. It never materialized, but I did copy that frame after a few weeks the bent up frame was hauled out back and the Budmobile had a new frame. Joe decided to build a car out of that frame, and he and I cut and patched on the cage and front frame area to "clean up" the look, but I questioned the safety. Now with the greater knowledge I have, I'm sure it was safe, but heavy because of the inner tube splicing we did. That car, the original #1 was bought by Eldon Harp who owned the cars Gene Daniel drove, and this was his first Super ride. By the way I had quit anything to do with racing just prior to Gene fatal accident but took my future wife to a race that happened to have Gene's fatal wreck. I knew the volunteer paramedic who attended him on LifeFlight and said his neck stretched pulling his Aorta in two. He died the next day as I recall. It was a very fast side over roll, and Gene was a smaller framed guy in real good shape. Just too many G's I guess.
Jon
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What car did Doc Garrett buy for Emmitt to race at OKC?
Ray
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November 01, 2011 at
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Posted By: brian26 on October 24 2011 at 01:35:29 AM
No, this car was being readied for Jim when he passed away. I understand it never competed.
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http://www.racingfromthepast.com/kansassuperslapR1.html
4th photo from the bottom. The car was completed and competed, it was my dad's car, it got junked in Norton a few years ago.
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November 01, 2011 at
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Posted By: 21R on November 01 2011 at 09:18:40 PM
http://www.racingfromthepast.com/kansassuperslapR1.html
4th photo from the bottom. The car was completed and competed, it was my dad's car, it got junked in Norton a few years ago.
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I'm thinking that I remember Jim Harkness racing at the winter nationals at Enid in 73 or 74 in a afternoon heat race or hot laps and being involved in a crash. I don't remember what caused the crash but it happened in turn 3 and 4. I'm thinking that Jim was knocked unconscious and his car and him ended up on the front straightaway just out of turn 4. When help arrive he was knocked out sitting in the car. He didn't race anymore that day, I'm not sure if the car was damaged too bad or he was unable to race from being knocked out. He was driving the black # 11.
Does anyone remember this happening?
Tony
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November 01, 2011 at
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Posted By: 21R on November 01 2011 at 09:18:40 PM
http://www.racingfromthepast.com/kansassuperslapR1.html
4th photo from the bottom. The car was completed and competed, it was my dad's car, it got junked in Norton a few years ago.
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10-4 but Jim Harkness never got to drive it, right. That is the point I think some us old farts were trying to make. It was a long time ago. I'm kind of thinking now the Don Adams #1 might have been the 73/74 version of the #11, The 77 was the latest version they were building when Jim died in the highway wreck. Is that the story. I probably should just leave it alone, cause I was just a fan. The 07 that Dave Frusher drove in 77 also has that #11 look. With the Lipitor and Plavix my memory is fried. I'm sure of the last 11 or 12 years I have had the exact story from someone, LOL 
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November 01, 2011 at
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Posted By: jrmodified95 on November 01 2011 at 10:42:48 PM
I'm thinking that I remember Jim Harkness racing at the winter nationals at Enid in 73 or 74 in a afternoon heat race or hot laps and being involved in a crash. I don't remember what caused the crash but it happened in turn 3 and 4. I'm thinking that Jim was knocked unconscious and his car and him ended up on the front straightaway just out of turn 4. When help arrive he was knocked out sitting in the car. He didn't race anymore that day, I'm not sure if the car was damaged too bad or he was unable to race from being knocked out. He was driving the black # 11.
Does anyone remember this happening?
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I'm at work but I'll bet a dozen viewers are looking at the NCRA yearbooks to try and piece something together. If Enid was an NCRA event that year?
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November 02, 2011 at
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Posted By: Racing From The Past on November 01 2011 at 11:07:46 PM
I'm at work but I'll bet a dozen viewers are looking at the NCRA yearbooks to try and piece something together. If Enid was an NCRA event that year?
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I checked the NCRA yearbooks for 73/74.The NCRA did not race at Enid in 1973 and they had the last race of the season there in 1974. I con not find Jim Harkness at that race. His bio in both yearbooks says that he only raced 1 NCRA race in 73 and ran a limited schedule in 74. He might have ran at the Enid fair races instead a lot of the KS drivers did.
Tony tell Mike hello for me
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November 02, 2011 at
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Posted By: brian26 on October 25 2011 at 02:43:19 PM
I thought this car became the Tom Garrett #55 Emmitt Hahn used in OkC. Shady would come in from Dallas and drive it in a few NCRA shows as well.
I believe Emmitt bundled it pretty bad one night.
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Brian,
I talked to "Big Jack" Wickett today and got the scoop on the history of his cars. I grew up in Sand Springs a few blocks from Jacks shop. My brother, George Armstrong drove for Jack and Lonnie Woods from 1968-71 so I have known him since I was 8 and could talk for hours telling you stories about growing up around race shops and especially Mr. Wickett's garage. Some of my lifelong friends including Harold Harris grew up in that garage and we all learned a ton from Jack and especially how to put together race cars that back then were mostly hand built. His cars were very detailed and most always won best appearing or best engineered awards. His first car
was owned by Logan Chelf #42 I think and was built by Bob Hindman. The #1 inline six car was built from measurements from the Howerton car pictured above. There are pics on here of it sitting in a mudhole after it had just won best engineered at Tulsa. That Howerton car became the Budmobile and he thought that after Harkness crashed it out of turn 3 is when Torrance built the car that eventually became the Garrett 55 car. Jack wound up with that car and it was #7 for him when he moved to Super Modified then I think Leamon English ran from then on. Jack moved on to drive for the Harrington bros. in the #4 Parsons car. He has tons of pics and info and he said he sometimes attends the Legends lunches so you'll have to introduce yourself when you get the chance. One quick story about Big Jack. 1971 I think, George, Lonnie, and Jack teamed up with Leon Boomershine at the end of the year. We
were all at the shop when somebody backed up to the door with a new complete motor built by Jim Morris I think. They couldn't get the cherry picker to work so Jack got impatient and bear huged the motor and lifted it off the tailgate and started towards the awaiting car. I still believe had it not been for tripping over the trailer ramp, he would have set it in the car! Guess that's why they call him "Big Jack."
SeeYa Soon
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Posted By: t.armstrong on November 02 2011 at 09:02:52 PM
Brian,
I talked to "Big Jack" Wickett today and got the scoop on the history of his cars. I grew up in Sand Springs a few blocks from Jacks shop. My brother, George Armstrong drove for Jack and Lonnie Woods from 1968-71 so I have known him since I was 8 and could talk for hours telling you stories about growing up around race shops and especially Mr. Wickett's garage. Some of my lifelong friends including Harold Harris grew up in that garage and we all learned a ton from Jack and especially how to put together race cars that back then were mostly hand built. His cars were very detailed and most always won best appearing or best engineered awards. His first car
was owned by Logan Chelf #42 I think and was built by Bob Hindman. The #1 inline six car was built from measurements from the Howerton car pictured above. There are pics on here of it sitting in a mudhole after it had just won best engineered at Tulsa. That Howerton car became the Budmobile and he thought that after Harkness crashed it out of turn 3 is when Torrance built the car that eventually became the Garrett 55 car. Jack wound up with that car and it was #7 for him when he moved to Super Modified then I think Leamon English ran from then on. Jack moved on to drive for the Harrington bros. in the #4 Parsons car. He has tons of pics and info and he said he sometimes attends the Legends lunches so you'll have to introduce yourself when you get the chance. One quick story about Big Jack. 1971 I think, George, Lonnie, and Jack teamed up with Leon Boomershine at the end of the year. We
were all at the shop when somebody backed up to the door with a new complete motor built by Jim Morris I think. They couldn't get the cherry picker to work so Jack got impatient and bear huged the motor and lifted it off the tailgate and started towards the awaiting car. I still believe had it not been for tripping over the trailer ramp, he would have set it in the car! Guess that's why they call him "Big Jack."
SeeYa Soon
Tony
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Tony, in 71-72 George drove the real pretty #77 for Boomershine, it was silver with orange lettering, do you know who built that car?
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