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Well, now we know why 18 wheel trucks are so heavy! Heck, they run between 80-120 lbs. per tire; figure it out, 18 X 120 lbs is a LOT of weight!

And the KPC chassis ruling was made at the Knoxville Nationals, which, I believe this year, was NOT a WoO race...

Chuck.....

does a semi tire with 60 pounds of air weigh the same as a bike tire with 60 pounds of air?

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They weighed the car the same way they did it with Dollansky 2 years ago... RR flat, the car will bottom out. Jack up the car, remove the RR wheel and tire and placed it on the hood. Sit the RR axle on a block that is sitting on the scale making sure to zero the pad that has the block on it before sitting the weight of the car on it. Weight per tire changes, but overall weight does not.

here is the part cdn blast was talking about in that blog..... interesting to say the least

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.... We finished 2nd. The track starting taking rubber early in the race. Really early. The bad thing of a track taking rubber is your tire thins out so much the risk of a flat highly increases. Also, the thinning out makes your car lighter. But, usually on a rubber-down track there is much less fuel intake because the car isn't running at it's optimum speed. So the weight becomes less of an issue.

Then as Jac is making his way to the scales, he runs over something and ends up with a flat tire. With a 1 inch hole he was down on the rim. On the scales (one scale per wheel) the right rear is not touching the scale. The rim is sitting on the ground. He weighed 1365 when he wasn't fully covering the scales.

The officials put a 20 pound block on the scale and rolled the flat tire on it. He then weighed less than he originally did. We took the flattened wheel off the car, sat it on the block and with the wheel on the hood of the car we weighed even less yet. An official stood on every scale and his weight varied from 179 to 183. Happy with that they weighed us again: still short. We roll the car off the scales and it is now reading -26 pounds. Finally an official claims: "Let's take out our other set of scales and compare!"

Too late, it's a done deal. We were DQ'd. Disqualified. Dead on arrival. No contest, no appeal, sorry you lose sucker. The part that hurts most is knowing that all you need to pass an illegal car is sign a waiver and you're good to go, all the way to victory lane.

I beleive you must be running some really heavy fuel. 1/2 gallon of methanol is approx 3 1/2 lbs.

Bald right rear ='s about 17 lbs lost rubber weight.

You guys definately got the shaft. How did it feel taking all that up the ---!!!!!!!!!!

Kinsers comment about how little the officials really now about racing sure does sound a hell of alot closer to reality now after this debacle!!!

But here's the deal, IMO...

The WoO officials used the same scales to weigh the winner, and other cars, and guess what? They all made weight! So if the scales were off, don't you think that more than one car would have had a problem at weigh- in? And if they were off by a lot, don't you think that the WoO would have reweighed all of the other cars on the second set of scales?

I get the fact that some feel that the R19 team and Jac were screwed by the WoO officials and the scales. But, Jac isn't the first and he won't be the last to be dq'd by the WoO for weight. Like others have said, you gotta pay to play....If you wish to run a light, but legal, car, you'd better be prepared for this to happen to you.

It's not like the track has a perfectly level spot where the scales can be set up, and then have the scales monitored by state/federal weights and measures people; heck, it's a dirt track.....

And the "...sign the waiver..." comment is just sour grapes...

Chuck.....

the KPC chassis were found to have a mid-rail tube, that is the tube by the driver that the top of the side nerfs attach to, that does not meet the minimum wall thickness. it is my understanding that the drivers of those cars were allowed to sign a waiver and continue to race them. i have also head that lead was put in the tubes.not knocking steve kent or the teams with KPC cars.

why put lead in when they could have put in up to 400 pounds of helium to make weight?

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the sign a waiver comment was just sarcasm, jeez. look again = sarcasm = lol = don't take to serious.

Wouldn't the simplest thing to do would be to take off right rear tire. Put jack stand under axle after you block it. Then sit the tire & wheel on top of the axle where the right rear is off.

Then take the total weight minus the jack stand. Wow man, real friggin rocket science...

OOPs almost forgot the the air for the tire!!!!

sounds like the scales are a P.O.S ! Remember everything is hunky dory untill it happens to you! and scales varying 4lbs? humm?

why did they utilise a motionfull test piece (human) when they could have used the 20lb block? not specific enuff, Haud needed 10lbs, four scales varying 4lbs is + or- 16 lbs this one is pretty gray

Maybe this is a dumb question, but here goes...

Why not weigh the cars BEFORE a race instead of after?

because the cars have to come off the track with a minimum weight. they don't care how much they weigh before the race. i could weigh my car before and then dump 50 lbs of sand out of the thing. or take 5lbs of air out of each tire. lol. get rid of the weight rule. go to no titainium anythings. have a frame spec as they have now and let things take care of themselves. have to have some good saftey inspections of guys will be lightening the shit out off everything.lol.

Not if the cars go directly from the scales to the starting area.

just being the devil's advocate here but i would be trying to loose every pound i could between the scale and the track. i would be throwing stuff out of my pockets and dumping weight off the car. there would be shit falling off my car on the track and in the push off lane. i would have every tube i could filled with lead shot and plugged very loosely so the plug would fall out under vibration and lead shot would dump out. i would find every way i could to make that car loose wieght. these guys are worrying about being 3-4 pounds light on tech. i would dump 20 lbs easy. i would have my front axle filled with shot and have it rigged to dump out on the track.

p.s. john did you call Robbie? don't get on that lady's bad side. lol.

Sounds like they need new scales. When was the last time the scales were certified? They have to do that for wrestling. Having any scaled used to weigh contestants for a meet must be certified at the beginning of the season to be a legal scale. They change a little through the course of the year do to "wear" and constant use.

Do the outlaws certify their scales on a regular basis?

What was the thickness that they measured?

i have heard that the tubes in question were found to be .065 instead of .085 (i believe that is correct)

not a weight consern, more of a saftey consern. but the idea that the exception was made has not gone over well with some. even though the discrepancy was caught at k-ville it is my understanding that the woo have allowed the frames to be run.

There is some serious math going on here Hosehead Junkies, here's your next challenge. Since none of you wizards could answer the Kinser question but you know how much a tire weighs, answer this one.

Let's go back to the Kings Royal that Jason Sides won, that apostasy in which his was the last tire to blow. Since Eldora devoured about 150 sprint car tires that evening, how much extra did Eldora wiegh when that race was done. HA! Get your calculators warmed up now boys.

I gotta lay off the Monster energy drinks!