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November 23, 2022 at
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bridge is still there. every day i run past there i look to see if it came down yet. my guess is it will still be there this year.
a tunnel seems like the obvious change. they already have one on the front stretch and the other local tracks have them like larsonfan said. there has to be something if they're going to keep all the merchandise trailers in the infield too. follow the money as they say.
if i'm picking safety issues there...honestly this isn't at the top of my list. agree with the backstretch opening being a problem and having all the teams in the infield. i've seen somebody die because of how the infield is set up so that's probably my first issue.
i'm sure it upsets alum that i mention things that should be addressed. sure...safety issues can't fully be addressed and sometimes you find out there's a problem in the worst possible way. it comes down to the old debate about personal responsibility. it might seem like you're only putting yourself at risk...but your bad crash could end involving spectators, teams, officials, and first responders. why make a paramedic have to see a nasty scene like that when it could have been prevented? people who will whine about fire suppression systems aren't thinking about the track safety teams that have to put that fire out...or the drivers who tried to get them out of the car like what happened at port royal.
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November 23, 2022 at
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Lke a Bridge over Troubled Waters.... 
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November 23, 2022 at
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Posted By: hiroshimacarp on November 23 2022 at 06:37:29 AM
bridge is still there. every day i run past there i look to see if it came down yet. my guess is it will still be there this year.
a tunnel seems like the obvious change. they already have one on the front stretch and the other local tracks have them like larsonfan said. there has to be something if they're going to keep all the merchandise trailers in the infield too. follow the money as they say.
if i'm picking safety issues there...honestly this isn't at the top of my list. agree with the backstretch opening being a problem and having all the teams in the infield. i've seen somebody die because of how the infield is set up so that's probably my first issue.
i'm sure it upsets alum that i mention things that should be addressed. sure...safety issues can't fully be addressed and sometimes you find out there's a problem in the worst possible way. it comes down to the old debate about personal responsibility. it might seem like you're only putting yourself at risk...but your bad crash could end involving spectators, teams, officials, and first responders. why make a paramedic have to see a nasty scene like that when it could have been prevented? people who will whine about fire suppression systems aren't thinking about the track safety teams that have to put that fire out...or the drivers who tried to get them out of the car like what happened at port royal.
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A bad crash into a well known safety problem- no matter how many waivers were signed- could result in a court settlement that closes a track as well.
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November 23, 2022 at
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~~ A song as originally performed by The Judds ~~
I'd gladly walk across the backstretch...
With no shoes upon my feet.
To share with you the last can...
Of beer I had to drink.
I would give you a provisional...
To achieve your A-main pipe dreams
Can't even qualify at Lincoln'...
Let me show you what safety means.
Please take down that bridge.
It's not worth your life or mine...
Please take down that bridge.
Don't you think it's time?
Don't you think it's time?
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November 24, 2022 at
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Posted By: larsonfan on November 22 2022 at 01:03:00 PM
Why is a tunnel not an option in place of the bridge? Just off the top of my head, I can think of 3 tracks that have done that: Lincoln, Port Royal, and Eldora.
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Because of the terain , a tunnel on the backstretch would be too long if it had to conform to present handicap regulations to be feasible.
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November 25, 2022 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 23 2022 at 12:41:23 PM
A bad crash into a well known safety problem- no matter how many waivers were signed- could result in a court settlement that closes a track as well.
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Yeah, it could happen but I can't remember it happening much at all if any. Another track in PA had a well known safety problem that caused a tragic crash, it's still in operation. Do you have a list of tracks that were shut down due to serious crashes?
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November 25, 2022 at
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Posted By: hiroshimacarp on November 23 2022 at 06:37:29 AM
bridge is still there. every day i run past there i look to see if it came down yet. my guess is it will still be there this year.
a tunnel seems like the obvious change. they already have one on the front stretch and the other local tracks have them like larsonfan said. there has to be something if they're going to keep all the merchandise trailers in the infield too. follow the money as they say.
if i'm picking safety issues there...honestly this isn't at the top of my list. agree with the backstretch opening being a problem and having all the teams in the infield. i've seen somebody die because of how the infield is set up so that's probably my first issue.
i'm sure it upsets alum that i mention things that should be addressed. sure...safety issues can't fully be addressed and sometimes you find out there's a problem in the worst possible way. it comes down to the old debate about personal responsibility. it might seem like you're only putting yourself at risk...but your bad crash could end involving spectators, teams, officials, and first responders. why make a paramedic have to see a nasty scene like that when it could have been prevented? people who will whine about fire suppression systems aren't thinking about the track safety teams that have to put that fire out...or the drivers who tried to get them out of the car like what happened at port royal.
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I've never been to Williams Grove and know nothing about it really then what's online. But my understanding is that the reason the bridge exists is because the majority of parking is behind the backstretch? This might be dumb but wouldn't it be easiest to build a set of grandstands on the backstretch and flip the track (backstretch becomes the front stretch and vice versa)? I get that new grandstands wouldn't be cheap but wouldn't it be the easiest?
And again I understand why people wouldn't like that idea. But if something's gotta be done for safety, it's not the end of the world.
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November 25, 2022 at
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There are bleachers on the backstretch, as well as the "legendary" Beer Hill
Trouble is you can't see much of the front stretch with the haulers in the infield
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November 25, 2022 at
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Posted By: tenter on November 24 2022 at 10:17:30 PM
Because of the terain , a tunnel on the backstretch would be too long if it had to conform to present handicap regulations to be feasible.
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The same would be true for a new or raised bridge. Either would probably require an elevator at each end.
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November 25, 2022 at
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Posted By: beezr2002 on November 25 2022 at 09:17:49 AM
Yeah, it could happen but I can't remember it happening much at all if any. Another track in PA had a well known safety problem that caused a tragic crash, it's still in operation. Do you have a list of tracks that were shut down due to serious crashes?
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Maybe you're right. Maybe in a world where suing anybody for anything, lawyers who advertise on the back of phone books won't go looking for an easy payday when a racer hits a well publicized hazard over a racetrack. It's possible.
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November 25, 2022 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 25 2022 at 07:03:24 PM
Maybe you're right. Maybe in a world where suing anybody for anything, lawyers who advertise on the back of phone books won't go looking for an easy payday when a racer hits a well publicized hazard over a racetrack. It's possible.
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Make no mistake about it, an attorney will make money it doesn't matter which side they are on. That's what they do. It doesn't mean anything has to or will change. Maybe attorneys will do this pro bono.lol.. I Doubt it's an easy payday.
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November 27, 2022 at
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November 27, 2022 at
10:20:08 AM by wolfie2985
Steve Bubb has the latest in Area Auto Racing News
AARN is worth the money- a lot more context than free internet snippets.
Two problems with a tunnel - where to put it (there's no place for the outside entrance) and what to do with the water that runs in.
sounds like it's getting closer to being gone but whatever replaces it is still undecided.
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November 27, 2022 at
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on November 27 2022 at 10:13:46 AM
Steve Bubb has the latest in Area Auto Racing News
AARN is worth the money- a lot more context than free internet snippets.
Two problems with a tunnel - where to put it (there's no place for the outside entrance) and what to do with the water that runs in.
sounds like it's getting closer to being gone but whatever replaces it is still undecided.
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So share it with us.... its not online, is it?
I pick it up when I see it at the track.... very interesting, especially if you're into Modifieds
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November 27, 2022 at
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Pleasantly surprised... it IS online... but I can't find the article
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November 27, 2022 at
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Besides the copyright infringement, I don't have the app to copy and paste the article from the good ol newspaper that comes religiously every Thursday - except holidays- in the good ol mail
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November 27, 2022 at
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on November 27 2022 at 10:13:46 AM
Steve Bubb has the latest in Area Auto Racing News
AARN is worth the money- a lot more context than free internet snippets.
Two problems with a tunnel - where to put it (there's no place for the outside entrance) and what to do with the water that runs in.
sounds like it's getting closer to being gone but whatever replaces it is still undecided.
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I dunno. Wouldn't the stairs and the end of the tunnel be in the exact same spot as the bridge? As far as water in the tunnel, don't you have sump pumps in your part of the world? Doesn't the speedway already have one tunnel?
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November 27, 2022 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 27 2022 at 09:12:49 PM
I dunno. Wouldn't the stairs and the end of the tunnel be in the exact same spot as the bridge? As far as water in the tunnel, don't you have sump pumps in your part of the world? Doesn't the speedway already have one tunnel?
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Ive been following this discussion hoping an American PA fan would come to with this novel idea but,,,,,,,,Why not just use the existing tunnel? Would that create any problems?
Even though I may not know you, I
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November 28, 2022 at
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Posted By: RodinCanada on November 27 2022 at 09:44:04 PM
Ive been following this discussion hoping an American PA fan would come to with this novel idea but,,,,,,,,Why not just use the existing tunnel? Would that create any problems?
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For most places that would work but the tunnel is on the front stretch and not accessible to those that enter from the backstretch gate. The only way to get to the infield, pits, and front stretch from the backstretch is the bridge.
Theres more parking at the backstretch. So for the big shows, the bridge is used by A LOT of people.
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November 28, 2022 at
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Gets me to thinking: are there any tracks that even have backstretch bleachers besides The Grove ? I'm thinking if there is, theres not many. So it's a rather unique problem - fit for a unique place
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Gets me to thinking: are there any tracks that even have backstretch bleachers besides The Grove ? I'm thinking if there is, theres not many. So it's a rather unique problem - fit for a unique place
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Knoxville , and I think Fairbury?
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