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July 27, 2019 at
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Posted By: StanM on July 27 2019 at 02:43:27 PM
He is free to do that but given his celebrity status he runs a bigger risk of repercussions than we do. We see this played out time and time again when celebrities are hassled and end up getting sued.
I wish I could find the clip that I was watching the other night. It was the Joe Rogan podcast and Joe and his guest were talking about online comments about how an MMA fighter should kick some fans ass and people in the post all thought this MMA guy should teach the fan a lesson. Joe made the point that MMA fighters have to work extra hard on self control when heckled by fans because every young tough guy wants to show his buddies he can lay a beating on them. Joe and his guest made the points that they could litterally kill someone with a couple of blows and they of all people are on dangerous ground if they allow anger to take over.
While most Sprint Car drivers probably aren't going to pack a lethal punch their celebrity status puts them on the same level as an MMA fighter as far as noteriety goes. People are going to provoke them and some are probably saying "hold my beer and watch me deck this asshole" as I type this reply. Some seem to be caught up in this tough race driver thing and romanticise their memories. You know, Hewitt speaking his mind and knocking someone on his ass and that sort of thing. On the other hand there is a large percent of people involved in racing who would never think of taking pit security into their own hands or going off during an interview. I throw my lot in with the ones who respect the privilege they have to drive these cars and strive to set a good example for the youngsters. That's just the way I was raised and it isn't going to change because of a pissing match on a racing board.
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I have seen the clip from Rogan and understand what they were saying and understand where you are coming from. I too hold drivers to high standards and to set good examples but also know that not every situation is right & wrong, good and bad. There can be gray area. Their definitely could have been a better way to handle the situation and it is easy to judge when it's not happening to you.
My issue with this is people just looking at the actions of Stewart. No one questions the actions of the other person. They just say, oh some drunk guy, or heckler, as if that is ok. We should not just excuse people who come to the pits looking to provoke any driver no matter what success they have had and no matter how much alcohol the heckler has consumed. I hold everyone responsible to the same standard driver or fan. No one is more special than anyone else. Money wise is it a risk for Stewart? Yes because of obvious reasons and he has been in the game long enough to know that. I am fine with anyones actions as long as they are willing to accept the consequences of them. Seems like the heckler wasn't willing to deal with his. I hold him more responsible for the events that happened last night. He's old enough to know better and seemed to be too comfortable running his mouth without repercussions
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Posted By: Hellofit on July 27 2019 at 01:39:47 PM
Once Donny Schatz gives Tony another Bag of Granny Smith Apples, he won’t be that Sour anymore.
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Good one! Thats one funny, dumb commercial 
I don't think either guy has a future in acting.....
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July 27, 2019 at
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Posted By: StanM on July 27 2019 at 11:10:50 AM
Calling on track security to handle the guy would have been a better choice that would not have generated these discussions or the unflattering video clip that's going around this morning. That is the job of security to handle these kinds of situations.
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Yes, that would have been the mature thing to do.
Yes, Tony has a bad temper
Does it bother me that he punched that guy? not so much....
The theft you mentioned is REALLY bad tho. Hope the authorities catch the culprits
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July 28, 2019 at
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Posted By: Nick14 on July 27 2019 at 01:12:45 PM
Stan I get what you're saying & hindsight is always 20/20. Your arguments of people having self control whether it be for this or language are valid however, sometimes human beings can only take so much at a time. Speaking as someone who was bullied in middle school by someone who heckled me day in & out, the whole turn the other cheek or be the better person eventually goes out the window. One day I had enough and popped the guy multiple times. Could I have handled it differently? Yes. Do I regret it l? Not one bit, in fact a little piece of me took some pride in it. The school knew about the kid, I wasn't the only one he tourmented but they did nothing except say, don't do that to your fellow students. When the principal asked me why I did what I did I yelled at him, because you did nothing. You think you did something but it still happened and you let it happened, and I can only take so much and I snapped. He was stunned to silence and just dismissed me for that day.
Sometimes the problem isn't the people who swing or throw the first punch. In most cases it's people who open their mouth thinking there are no consequences for what they say. Now that doesn't mean that people have free reign to just punch anyone who they disagree with. But we should not hold the person that is being antagonized to a higher standard while holding the antagonist to a lower one. And it's 2019 not the 50s, 60s, or even 2000s. Things that happened back then are nice and it's nice to be nostalgic, but the world changes. This and profanity do not hurt the sport no matter how much people try to spin it that way. It doesn't because both have always happened even back in the 50s & 60s because human beings drove cars back then as they do now. Only difference now is you find out quicker.
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Well said.
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Posted By: Nick14 on July 27 2019 at 05:07:52 PM
I have seen the clip from Rogan and understand what they were saying and understand where you are coming from. I too hold drivers to high standards and to set good examples but also know that not every situation is right & wrong, good and bad. There can be gray area. Their definitely could have been a better way to handle the situation and it is easy to judge when it's not happening to you.
My issue with this is people just looking at the actions of Stewart. No one questions the actions of the other person. They just say, oh some drunk guy, or heckler, as if that is ok. We should not just excuse people who come to the pits looking to provoke any driver no matter what success they have had and no matter how much alcohol the heckler has consumed. I hold everyone responsible to the same standard driver or fan. No one is more special than anyone else. Money wise is it a risk for Stewart? Yes because of obvious reasons and he has been in the game long enough to know that. I am fine with anyones actions as long as they are willing to accept the consequences of them. Seems like the heckler wasn't willing to deal with his. I hold him more responsible for the events that happened last night. He's old enough to know better and seemed to be too comfortable running his mouth without repercussions
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There isn't any question that the heckler got this party started. That is going to happen, people like that arent restricted by geography so there will happen again somewhere. There are two responses, one takes the high road and the other stoops down to their level.
That is what security is there for. To maintain order within the context of the law. Now the choice is do we rely on the system that is put in place to maintain order or do we risk our reputation and take matters into our own hands? It's as simple as that.
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Posted By: Shortie12 on July 27 2019 at 02:18:08 PM
When you buy a ticket that gives you the right to watch the race.If you want to be a dumb ass so be it but once the race is over you need to keep your thoughts to yourself . I dont blame Tony as the guy had it coming.
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My point was i’ve seen behavior from Stewart that makes me think he is not completely innocent in these situations. i have trouble believing Larson, Bell, or Kahne deal with these things and would handle them more professionally If they did.
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July 28, 2019 at
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When I see things like this happen, it reminds me of a saying from an old boss and good friend. “ He was still talking when he should have been listening” 
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July 28, 2019 at
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Stupid is, Stupid does.... Now just to figure out who is the more, provoker or provokee.......
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July 28, 2019 at
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July 28, 2019 at
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Agree 100%....and in my opinion tracks should do the same for not only Smoke, but Larson, Kahne and even Abreu. I saw fans in the pits "prior" to the races at Grandview Speedway for this year's Pa Speedweek constantly come up to Rico and interupt him to get their picture taken or an autograph. Rico to his credit was very gracious but in my opinion there is no place for that until 'after" the races. The drivers are in their work space and are there to earn a living not to provide a fan a FACEBOOK or TWITTER moment.
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July 28, 2019 at
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One of the ironies of this is that A.J. Foyt did stuff like this pretty often, sometimes in front of a national TV audience. If Tony was doing stuff like this back in the 70s noone would be making this big of a deal out of it. I believe it was Mark Martin who called Tony the "A.J. Foyt of this generation" back in Tony's early NASCAR Cup days.
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July 28, 2019 at
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I dont know if this event has been made into a big issue. I dont surf other boards or social feeds but based on this forum 20 or 30 people discussing a punch isnt really a big deal considering there were 1000s at the race and 100,000s of race fans on the continent.
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July 28, 2019 at
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Well said Ford
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July 29, 2019 at
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Canadians have never considered a punch a big deal, some of us grew up doing it the more advanced in hockey you got....Unfortunately it doesn't exist in today's game at about any level other than the NHL where fighting is down about 75% sadly, it's a game of shinny at high speed these days, Y A W N......
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July 29, 2019 at
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A similar amount of people are discussing both topics. If you want to consider 30 race fans discussing an action a bid goal go ahead. Feel like a world changer. Reality is by the numbers very few people in the world comment or care. It isnt making CNN. These aren't big deals, just small discussions in a small segment of a small sport.
As far as Sweets celly my thought was that it isnt good for the sport, meaning it will do more harm that good. If this also needs to be simplified into pablum look at it this way. If one person stops going to races because of it and nobody starts going because of it ,that is a negative result imo. Small but negative. Small and not positive.
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Well said
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Posted By: RodinCanada on July 29 2019 at 09:09:37 AM
A similar amount of people are discussing both topics. If you want to consider 30 race fans discussing an action a bid goal go ahead. Feel like a world changer. Reality is by the numbers very few people in the world comment or care. It isnt making CNN. These aren't big deals, just small discussions in a small segment of a small sport.
As far as Sweets celly my thought was that it isnt good for the sport, meaning it will do more harm that good. If this also needs to be simplified into pablum look at it this way. If one person stops going to races because of it and nobody starts going because of it ,that is a negative result imo. Small but negative. Small and not positive.
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Judging from what I have seen on Facebook and the number of groups that I follow, I would say just based on observation more people were talking about Stewart's Punch than Sweet's language. It seems that this message board was the one that talked about Sweet more than any place else and a vast majority of people were talking about the emotion rather than the language. There was a lot more praise than negativity about it among people on social media, and actually he was getting more flack for the whole Frost Handwave than the language. More people were talking about Stewart yesterday & posting the video and expressing their opinion. All opinions are basically the same as those on here.
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Posted By: MSPN on July 29 2019 at 08:56:22 AM
Canadians have never considered a punch a big deal, some of us grew up doing it the more advanced in hockey you got....Unfortunately it doesn't exist in today's game at about any level other than the NHL where fighting is down about 75% sadly, it's a game of shinny at high speed these days, Y A W N......
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Pretty much having played the game since I was 10. You learn at a very young age that if you are going to "chirp" or open your mouth, you better be ready to go as well & keep your head up. Other than a couple isolated incidents (McSorley/Bertuzzi, OR the whole Red Wings/Avalanche) most of the time the guys drop the gloves fight it out then drop its over. Now most people just in general in any sport including in the pits, have this notion that they can do & say anything without the fear of consequences.
Some of it comes down to manners and controlling your alcohol. A majority of us have drank our fair share of adult beverages at the track and have probably been over the limit. A majority of us probably know how to control ourselves, still have a good time, not ruin someone elses time, and know the concept of manners and personal space. I have seen a number of times just regular Outlaw/local drivers where some drunk buffoon just cuts in line puts his arm around a driver and wants to start telling him his personal story as if the driver asked. Only takes 1 idiot each night to ruin something for everyone else who knows how to act.
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Posted By: Kingpin2014 on July 27 2019 at 10:27:27 AM
Yeah there totally wasn’t fights in the pits in the 80s. If Anything, there is much much less fighting in the pit area these days compared to the 80s and 90s
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You are correct. We used to be amazed at brawls in classes like street stocks. The wives of drivers were throwing punches over $60.00 to win. Hewitt is known for punching out a few in his time. Of course tracks do not want fights, but they sell drunks more alcohal. Last week I saw a video of one of the moon landing astronauts punch out a person who ran up and said he was a liar, fake and phoney that he never walked on moon. Tony just threw one punch and guy was not knocked down. I do not think Minn, legal system gives hoot.Tony is Tony and we should be happly that he is not one of these cookie cutter drivers.
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Posted By: linbob on July 29 2019 at 10:47:59 AM
You are correct. We used to be amazed at brawls in classes like street stocks. The wives of drivers were throwing punches over $60.00 to win. Hewitt is known for punching out a few in his time. Of course tracks do not want fights, but they sell drunks more alcohal. Last week I saw a video of one of the moon landing astronauts punch out a person who ran up and said he was a liar, fake and phoney that he never walked on moon. Tony just threw one punch and guy was not knocked down. I do not think Minn, legal system gives hoot.Tony is Tony and we should be happly that he is not one of these cookie cutter drivers.
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Im surprised some Stewart fans, or crew guys didnt try and diffuse the situation. Tony needs some control, but there shoulda been security. Cant stand loud mouthed drunks.
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If Sweet says some naughty words after he wins the Knoxville Nationals and Stewart punches him because of it, would the internet melt down?
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