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blazer00
August 26, 2018 at 12:26:02 AM
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Posted By: longtimefan on August 26 2018 at 12:07:03 AM

Let me start by saying that I am not, never have been and never will be a Lance Dewease fan but you dumb shits calling that team Cherry Pickers have got to be Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest. They only show up at races where the best around, locals, AllStars and Outlaws are there and have a pretty damned good winning record in the process. Yea I know they didn't go to Knoxville. Cry me a river over that.  As for Hodnett and Wolf at Port, Hodnett said early in the season that they were chasing points this year, why I guess is more their busines than ours. For Wolf I hate to inform you but they could be preparing for the next couple of months because contrary to what some think if you want to make money racing sprint cars in Pa. Port is the place to be.



For cripes sake the 69k doesn't even travel much in PA.....They are nearly a two track team, and thats about it. They have faced the Outlaws twice this year with one win right? And the All Stars several times with what, two wins?  Out of eleven wins total this year, four have been at Port Royal and four at Williams Grove. So don't toot the horn on the winning record too hard. They are a very good team at home and that's it, until they do otherwise.



fiXXXer
August 26, 2018 at 06:51:29 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on August 26 2018 at 12:26:02 AM

For cripes sake the 69k doesn't even travel much in PA.....They are nearly a two track team, and thats about it. They have faced the Outlaws twice this year with one win right? And the All Stars several times with what, two wins?  Out of eleven wins total this year, four have been at Port Royal and four at Williams Grove. So don't toot the horn on the winning record too hard. They are a very good team at home and that's it, until they do otherwise.



And the team themselves would totally agree with that assessment. They don't want to be anything other than what they are. They're a team built to run a specific schedule and they stick to it. There's a very fine science behind what they do. Their success is a product of the perfect partnership of owner/driver/crew chief who stick to a very particular method of doing things and they do it better than anyone. As a result, they're having the time of their lives and they're making some local history in the process. 



shernernum
August 26, 2018 at 09:13:55 AM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on August 26 2018 at 06:51:29 AM

And the team themselves would totally agree with that assessment. They don't want to be anything other than what they are. They're a team built to run a specific schedule and they stick to it. There's a very fine science behind what they do. Their success is a product of the perfect partnership of owner/driver/crew chief who stick to a very particular method of doing things and they do it better than anyone. As a result, they're having the time of their lives and they're making some local history in the process. 



While also probably enjoying themselves, and not losing nearly the money that other teams lose.  Hell, they may even win enough to make a profit, which most people think is unheard of in racing.




blazer00
August 26, 2018 at 09:57:48 AM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on August 26 2018 at 06:51:29 AM

And the team themselves would totally agree with that assessment. They don't want to be anything other than what they are. They're a team built to run a specific schedule and they stick to it. There's a very fine science behind what they do. Their success is a product of the perfect partnership of owner/driver/crew chief who stick to a very particular method of doing things and they do it better than anyone. As a result, they're having the time of their lives and they're making some local history in the process. 



And that's the part that is really great. The team isn't out there overplaying their accomplishments......some of the fans are. I don't think any of us "outsiders" have issues with the team itself. At least I don't. When I give the nod to Hodnett being the better driver of the two it has nothing to do with Dewease not also being very good. I simply believe that Hodnett has proven himself more adept at doing well on the road. I'm also not aware of any midwest fans spouting off whenever a midwest driver pulls off a WoO or All Star win. After all, drivers with only 10-15 WoO wins over the course of a 20-30 year plus career sure isn't much to boast about. That's just enough wins (imo) to get recognized. Brian Brown only has four WoO wins and none of those on his home track. Does that diminish his accomplishments? Not really. He does have three seconds at the Nationals, and even though that is his home track, that's still a heck of an accomplishment for a top local driver. I get excited when my favorite drivers do well, but I do tend to consider stats and drivers career moves when doing comparisons and sharing my own thoughts about rankings, driver's accomplishments, etc......



singlefile
August 26, 2018 at 11:04:18 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on August 26 2018 at 09:57:48 AM

And that's the part that is really great. The team isn't out there overplaying their accomplishments......some of the fans are. I don't think any of us "outsiders" have issues with the team itself. At least I don't. When I give the nod to Hodnett being the better driver of the two it has nothing to do with Dewease not also being very good. I simply believe that Hodnett has proven himself more adept at doing well on the road. I'm also not aware of any midwest fans spouting off whenever a midwest driver pulls off a WoO or All Star win. After all, drivers with only 10-15 WoO wins over the course of a 20-30 year plus career sure isn't much to boast about. That's just enough wins (imo) to get recognized. Brian Brown only has four WoO wins and none of those on his home track. Does that diminish his accomplishments? Not really. He does have three seconds at the Nationals, and even though that is his home track, that's still a heck of an accomplishment for a top local driver. I get excited when my favorite drivers do well, but I do tend to consider stats and drivers career moves when doing comparisons and sharing my own thoughts about rankings, driver's accomplishments, etc......



This entire thread was started to bash away on teams and racers from Pennsylvania, and it's the people who getting bashed who are the problem? When it comes to these threads, you are always right in the middle of it bashing away on racers from outside your area. As soon as I saw the topic, I knew you would be in the thread slamming racers you don't even see race.



blazer00
August 26, 2018 at 01:16:24 PM
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Posted By: singlefile on August 26 2018 at 11:04:18 AM

This entire thread was started to bash away on teams and racers from Pennsylvania, and it's the people who getting bashed who are the problem? When it comes to these threads, you are always right in the middle of it bashing away on racers from outside your area. As soon as I saw the topic, I knew you would be in the thread slamming racers you don't even see race.



Quote me bashing!  If you think I'm bashing you're just plain too sensative. And I see them all race plenty, believe me.




revjimk
August 26, 2018 at 01:27:13 PM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on August 26 2018 at 06:51:29 AM

And the team themselves would totally agree with that assessment. They don't want to be anything other than what they are. They're a team built to run a specific schedule and they stick to it. There's a very fine science behind what they do. Their success is a product of the perfect partnership of owner/driver/crew chief who stick to a very particular method of doing things and they do it better than anyone. As a result, they're having the time of their lives and they're making some local history in the process. 



Exactly!



revjimk
August 26, 2018 at 01:30:15 PM
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We all know Posse is tough at home & doesn't travel much. This will go round & round for a long time, which is probably a good thing. Just like Packers vs. Bears, Yankees vs Red Sox etc



revjimk
August 26, 2018 at 01:35:10 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on August 26 2018 at 01:16:24 PM

Quote me bashing!  If you think I'm bashing you're just plain too sensative. And I see them all race plenty, believe me.



 "I have been rattling the Cheerleader chains in this forum for 20 + years"....

Some call it bashing, you call it "chain pulling"... same thing, different name

Have at it... we can take it




blazer00
August 26, 2018 at 01:37:42 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on August 26 2018 at 01:30:15 PM

We all know Posse is tough at home & doesn't travel much. This will go round & round for a long time, which is probably a good thing. Just like Packers vs. Bears, Yankees vs Red Sox etc



I agree with that and with you. It's not that they don't travel that bothers fans outside the PA area......it's those certain  Posse fans that tell all of us what the Posse drivers would do if they did.......... 



blazer00
August 26, 2018 at 01:41:53 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on August 26 2018 at 01:35:10 PM

 "I have been rattling the Cheerleader chains in this forum for 20 + years"....

Some call it bashing, you call it "chain pulling"... same thing, different name

Have at it... we can take it



When is stating opinions, stats and comparisons "chain pulling"?     Only when someone doesn't want to see the stats? Too often some Posse fans (not you) state that the PA drivers do it to the WoO "all the time" or "always against the toughest fields in the country"  Why so much exaggeration??? Ain't it enough that the Posse drivers did represent the PA area pretty damn well at the Knoxville Nationals? Because they did. Why did some Posse fans get bent out of shape when I expressed how well CA was represented at the Nationals this year? And then I'm ridiculed for "thread jumping" or whatever.....some of the fans out east need to take a good hard look in the mirror.



revjimk
August 26, 2018 at 02:03:37 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on August 26 2018 at 01:41:53 PM

When is stating opinions, stats and comparisons "chain pulling"?     Only when someone doesn't want to see the stats? Too often some Posse fans (not you) state that the PA drivers do it to the WoO "all the time" or "always against the toughest fields in the country"  Why so much exaggeration??? Ain't it enough that the Posse drivers did represent the PA area pretty damn well at the Knoxville Nationals? Because they did. Why did some Posse fans get bent out of shape when I expressed how well CA was represented at the Nationals this year? And then I'm ridiculed for "thread jumping" or whatever.....some of the fans out east need to take a good hard look in the mirror.



My mistake, I got you confused with MSPN, who admitted to "pulling chains"

Its all in fun, everybody talks up their homeboys

I don't think anybody here is dissing the Cali drivers




blazer00
August 26, 2018 at 04:37:18 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on August 26 2018 at 02:03:37 PM

My mistake, I got you confused with MSPN, who admitted to "pulling chains"

Its all in fun, everybody talks up their homeboys

I don't think anybody here is dissing the Cali drivers



No problem. I agree it's all fun......And nobody did diss the CA drivers on the thread I started....but a few couldn't stand discussing how the CA guys did so they jumped on with how well the PA guys did.......which was good but the CA guys were really good when it came to making the A Main. This was really an off year for the locals......but several solid guys that usually make the field aren't in cars at all anymore and that hurts.  And yes....MSPN does bash or bait more than he makes actual comments....



PorschePeteTx
August 26, 2018 at 04:56:23 PM
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If you want some real insight into the 69k team listen to the OpenRed Podcast.   Kreitz is a great hour long interview that is pretty funny at times including what do you do with $50k in small bills after winning the King's Royal in 1986.   He talks alot about the team and why they do not travel all that far.  

http://www.woosprint.com/news/open-red-podcast/5114-open-red-ep-106-don-kreitz-jr

 





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