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August 14, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on August 14 2012 at 07:09:49 PM
AMERICAN RACER TIRE RETURNS TO URC WITH GREAT PRICING
Plans for the 2012 Rislone URC Sprint Series are well underway and a big announcement includes the return of American Racer as the official tire of URC. Some great pricing is being offered with URC using a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost. URC Managing Member John Zimmerman worked out the tire prices for 2012 which includes $159 for right rears, $155 for left rears and $138 for all front tires.
http://www.sprintsandmidgets.com/urc-looks-to-2012-and-beyond/
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The key words in this announcement is "URC using a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost". URC is a club and not a sanctioning body out for a profit like all the other major series. I know the MSA 360's in WI use American Racer and they pay in the $190 range for a RR.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: egras on August 14 2012 at 06:46:08 PM
Exactly. And then when one brand becomes more popular than the others, the less popular brand will have to sweeten the pot by lowering their price to get some drivers to buy them, run them and endorse them. Then there would be competition and supply and demand would drive the prices like it does everything else in this world. (with the exception of oil and gas--driven by oil companies using politians like puppets--for another conversation)
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one exception to the supply and demand thing that i had thought about but didn't mention is the potential for one company to produce a superior tire and since most people will run it no matter what, they could possibly just set their price. people would have to buy it if they wanted to be competitive. we have seen similar situations before.
to indy and beyond!!
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August 15, 2012 at
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August 15, 2012 at
09:53:23 AM by cubicdollars
Race winning open tires currently cost ~$260. $40 more than current track tires. Open tires would reach $300 in no time. There is a reason every major racing series in the world...F-1, NASCAR and NHRA all run single manufacturer "spec" tires. It is the only way they can control tire construction and cost. Everyone of them runs smaller tires than originally evolved to slow down, unhook and to emphasize driving ability. And they went to a heavier thicker safer construction for safety. The sprint cars are no different than anyone else, except for tire cost also comes into play more, since it is supposed to be a grass roots sport. One tire manufacturer per series is the reality.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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August 15, 2012 at
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Looking at the pros and cons of open tire rules vs. sanctioned tire,with the sanctioned tire you have about three rubber choices,but they cost more and will not be paying any incentives,as of now,the open rule means the owner or sponsor will spend more to carry what ever works that one night or day,then it goes among the 15 or twenty you still have to cart around especially if you are in a touring series,some of these tires sell for less but with the different compounds and sizes another pound your head on wall deal to figure out what to buy,carry,use,and win situation. So all being said why do the tracks always want to be like the Outlaws but never book an Outlaw race? This being said, this can open the door to tracks running more 360's than 410's,thus they see they don't need the weekly 410's if they can pack the place weekly with the 360 group. Thusly this has opened the door to a few gremlins since the tire rule today helped the track pay some of the points money or so they said. With all the hoopla about Goodyear,either good or bad,they were there for the 410's group until about three months ago when the drought hit and dried out America and peeled the treads off the tires.So all in all a descent tire at a reasonable price could be the fairest and cheapest method to race and in this day and age cost is,as always,at the forefront of any rules. .So,maybe,all being said,Goodyear was or wasn't the best choice going,the last few years,just an individuals feelings about the tires.You can have $15000 plus just to have all the tire possibilites mounted for next year,food for thought.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on August 15 2012 at 02:36:33 AM
one exception to the supply and demand thing that i had thought about but didn't mention is the potential for one company to produce a superior tire and since most people will run it no matter what, they could possibly just set their price. people would have to buy it if they wanted to be competitive. we have seen similar situations before.
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This is possible. I think it would be unlikely that one type of tire would dominate all the different shapes and sizes of tracks these guys encounter, but it could dominate most of them if one brand got the combination just right. I just think the WOO would need to closely monitor this and make decisions on the go to keep the sport competitive and the racing close. They could, for instance, set a price limit on tires purchased--based on the list price of the tires. This would keep any one tire from dominating the market unless it was affordable for everyone. I know there is no magic wand to this, but it would be an idea
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: Bet n Housen on August 15 2012 at 09:18:07 AM
Looking at the pros and cons of open tire rules vs. sanctioned tire,with the sanctioned tire you have about three rubber choices,but they cost more and will not be paying any incentives,as of now,the open rule means the owner or sponsor will spend more to carry what ever works that one night or day,then it goes among the 15 or twenty you still have to cart around especially if you are in a touring series,some of these tires sell for less but with the different compounds and sizes another pound your head on wall deal to figure out what to buy,carry,use,and win situation. So all being said why do the tracks always want to be like the Outlaws but never book an Outlaw race? This being said, this can open the door to tracks running more 360's than 410's,thus they see they don't need the weekly 410's if they can pack the place weekly with the 360 group. Thusly this has opened the door to a few gremlins since the tire rule today helped the track pay some of the points money or so they said. With all the hoopla about Goodyear,either good or bad,they were there for the 410's group until about three months ago when the drought hit and dried out America and peeled the treads off the tires.So all in all a descent tire at a reasonable price could be the fairest and cheapest method to race and in this day and age cost is,as always,at the forefront of any rules. .So,maybe,all being said,Goodyear was or wasn't the best choice going,the last few years,just an individuals feelings about the tires.You can have $15000 plus just to have all the tire possibilites mounted for next year,food for thought.
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$15,000??????? who has a tire budget that low for racing 2 nites a week, March thru October? Here in PA a good competitive but tire savvy team's tire budget is more than double that.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Interesting timing on a press release today that American Racer will be the tire for the World Series Sprintcars this year. All signs point to them...
www.stevenblakesley.com
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August 15, 2012 at
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California teams could get a jump start on testing American Racer tires if they wanted, that is if they can get them out here. Marysville has an open tire rule, just say'n.
Northern California Sprintcars
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: stevenblakesley on August 15 2012 at 10:44:03 AM
Interesting timing on a press release today that American Racer will be the tire for the World Series Sprintcars this year. All signs point to them...
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Actually, American Racer was announced as the official tire (tyre) by WSS on July 23.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Now is the perfect time to go to harder tires.I think at least a 36 on the durometer would be good,you wouldn't see all these rubbered up tracks and the racing would be better.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: Ca Sprintcar fan on August 14 2012 at 06:53:08 PM
I have a tire question or two.
Is American Racer, McCreary tires?
Second question. We don't use American Racer tires out west. How are they compared to Hoosiers?
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To answer your second question. I thought they were OK, not as good as Hoosier, but real close. They are cheaper than Hoosier, which can be a good thing if you are allowed to run them and want to save money. Just my opinion.
I wish I knew of a supplier in your area, so you can try them and see what you think of them.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Dusty Devil,I never said it was for the season,it would probably get you thru Florida and the opening races of the season, yes,I very well know what is spent on tires in Pa., Indiana,and WoO and The AllStars and for some groups it is shocking,it really is, I just don't see how some people make it honestly,but they are there every week maybe not on new tires but decent ones,thus the biggest reason for a tire rule and a cost rule if that is possible,like I said earlier the Goodyear program helped relieve some pain of carrying so many different tires. The sooner the tracks and the racing organizations get this squared away the better off all involved will be.I do appreciate your replying at least the stuff does get read.
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August 16, 2012 at
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Posted By: WIsprinter on August 14 2012 at 07:58:25 PM
The key words in this announcement is "URC using a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost". URC is a club and not a sanctioning body out for a profit like all the other major series. I know the MSA 360's in WI use American Racer and they pay in the $190 range for a RR.
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URC is a COMPANY,not a club any longer....as of a few years ago....John
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