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October 31, 2011 at
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No i work hard for a living. But on the weekends I go and do odd jobs for a living because I dont have rich parents or big sponsers to pay my bills. They need to do what got them there and race .Im a big Kinser fan, srarted with Bob. I use to be able to see Steve race Aleast three times a year in the eighties and nintys at Kokomo speedway. Thats in the good old days when he would race with the allstars also.
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Go get'm Double Down.... Time for WRG to stop stepping on the little guy...
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: racerguy6n on October 31 2011 at 03:49:54 PM
This stuff goes both ways...
If the fans go to Fargo and not Grand Forks the next night, and the promoter loses his @$$, then odds are he's not going to book the show again. That is the impact it has on the WRG. If they don't book races, they don't make money. If, as a series, they are going to work to get the $$ from the tracks that they do, then in my opinion they have every right to be pissed if the guys go race for less. That is basically telling all promoters, "hey, don't pay the big purse, we'll race for less money". How do you justify any kind of a purse increase, if your guys will go race for less money?
That being said, I'm not saying Sides doesn't have every right to be pissed if they never gave the courtesy of a return phone call. However, he joined a group, and by doing so he agreed to be a part of that group and any rules they have. I think it would be very tough to win a lawsuit.
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People need to keep in mind what goes on behind the scenes with these promoters. They're paying for advertising and the sanction fee and purse for a one day WoO race is something approaching the $100,000 mark the last I heard. In most cases this will be their biggest show of the season and when they put that kind of money on the line they want to know that the top drivers are all going to be there as promised.
If Sprint Car racing were to morph into a true Outlaw schedule for the top teams promoters would be having fits. Some of the guys could cut their own deals with tracks for appearance money, if your home track is in a small market forget it, they'd lose the bidding war. I keep reading where people think it would be so great if there were no top series and these guys ran their own schedule but I think that would hurt the sport in a lot of ways.
I think having the Outlaws is good for the sport. On the other hand there has to be a limit as to how much they flex their muscle with their loyal teams. Require them to run a set percentage of races and have a miles rule where any non-WoO race would have to be X miles from the last and next WoO races would probably do it. Look at the dirt Late Models, they've got two national series and a bunch of unsanctioned events so their top guys are all over the map. There's a lot more of those cars around so Sprints are a different situation, I think they can only support one national 410 tour on account of the cost of running these cars.
Stan Meissner
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October 31, 2011 at
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Why do the #9 and #15 still get their tow and place money ?
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: Skidooxp19 on October 31 2011 at 02:52:14 PM
Just for the record the 9 car actually had a 49 on it and was not 9 (that night in Fargo). Probably trying to find a loophole. The 15 did run under it's WoO colors, numbers, and sponsors. My understanding was he had a deal because he is running the track.
Sides has a very viable argument though. Doesn't sound very professional from the WRG. The WRG needs to let their drivers race where and when they want. They just need to say in order to get tow money, etc., they have to run in every WoO race. I understand what the WRG is trying to do, but I certainly don't agree with it. They are trying to avoid loosing money because let's say the WoO ran in Grand Forks the next night (after Fargo). If tickets were cheaper in Fargo, why wouldn't everyone just go there and then skip the WoO in Grand Forks? I know I wouldn't but that is what the WRG is afraid of. They want all the WoO drivers to be THEIRS and ONLY THEIRS.
Hope Jason gets his money.
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The 9 car was under further restrictions as well, but, they were not adhered to. There is a LOT more to the story. The sad part is all it took was common courtesy to return a call.. They have be made and answered before.. why not now? It will become clearer soon...
I would love to see a solidarity of the drivers and owners in this matter. There may very well be punitive damages sought as well... it could be argued that future earnings of Jason may have been affected as well...
Good luck, Dawg... you KNOW we are rooting for you... add a bit of insult and go win the race in Charlotte!
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October 31, 2011 at
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There is a reason why he signed a contract and it is for this reason. I guarantee it clearly states that he cannot race at races like Fargo within the jurisdiction of future events in the area (ie Grand Forks two nights later), unless he is given the clear. It looks like WRG never gave him an OK to me, as per the release. Since when did ignorance become to meaning 'yes'?
If you want to race whenever and where ever you want, follow what Sammy has done the last couple of years. It seems to be paying off for him.
BIG J
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: racerguy6n on October 31 2011 at 03:49:54 PM
This stuff goes both ways...
If the fans go to Fargo and not Grand Forks the next night, and the promoter loses his @$$, then odds are he's not going to book the show again. That is the impact it has on the WRG. If they don't book races, they don't make money. If, as a series, they are going to work to get the $$ from the tracks that they do, then in my opinion they have every right to be pissed if the guys go race for less. That is basically telling all promoters, "hey, don't pay the big purse, we'll race for less money". How do you justify any kind of a purse increase, if your guys will go race for less money?
That being said, I'm not saying Sides doesn't have every right to be pissed if they never gave the courtesy of a return phone call. However, he joined a group, and by doing so he agreed to be a part of that group and any rules they have. I think it would be very tough to win a lawsuit.
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I have to laugh at your comment (How do you justify any kind of a purse increase, if your guys will go race for less money?) How long has it been since the drivers and team had a pay raise? How long has it been since, Carter, Deery, Geisler and the rest of WRG ying yangs had a pay raise? Take a look at what those WRG guys make a year! IMO, World racing group guys are a bunch of thieving pricks stealing a mans money that he worked his ass off to make. All you have is double standards here for the big nascar owned teams. Oh it's ok for TSR(Tony Stewart)/Donny Schatz to run a race non sanctioned by WRG, his daddy runs a leased the track. Oh it's ok that KKR(Kasey Kahne)/Brad Sweet in the #9Joey Saldana car run a non-sanctioned WRG race, they changed the # to a 49. But let a guy that runs his own team and busts his ass to run thier series do it and what does the pricks do. They steal his money that he well earned!
i just remembered i was supposed to remember to
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: WFOB_0 on October 31 2011 at 07:05:43 PM
There is a reason why he signed a contract and it is for this reason. I guarantee it clearly states that he cannot race at races like Fargo within the jurisdiction of future events in the area (ie Grand Forks two nights later), unless he is given the clear. It looks like WRG never gave him an OK to me, as per the release. Since when did ignorance become to meaning 'yes'?
If you want to race whenever and where ever you want, follow what Sammy has done the last couple of years. It seems to be paying off for him.
BIG J
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Again Double Standards with the World Racing Group! It was ok for other drivers and teams to race it why not the 7s? In April Craig Dollansky, also, a signed member of the WRG raced a race in Burlington Iowa. That was on April 23, 2011. It states he started 6th in the A-main and finished the race. That also was a non-sactioned race. Was his tow money cut? Was his money that he earned stolen from him by WRG? DOUBLE STANDARDS! I hope Jason Sides and Sides Motorsports mops the court room floor with these jackasses.
i just remembered i was supposed to remember to
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: Apollo on October 31 2011 at 04:38:14 PM
Theres limited tv time . So why have the big time sponsers if you have to worry about tow money and purses if you have million dollar sponsers like Kinser and company.Race when and were you want to and tell them to stick it up there a$$ .They use to have to race from track to track for gas money. Now they are all rich and lazy so they just set at home and complain.
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Your clueless! Go back to your couch!
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: woohoo on October 31 2011 at 07:24:59 PM
Again Double Standards with the World Racing Group! It was ok for other drivers and teams to race it why not the 7s? In April Craig Dollansky, also, a signed member of the WRG raced a race in Burlington Iowa. That was on April 23, 2011. It states he started 6th in the A-main and finished the race. That also was a non-sactioned race. Was his tow money cut? Was his money that he earned stolen from him by WRG? DOUBLE STANDARDS! I hope Jason Sides and Sides Motorsports mops the court room floor with these jackasses.
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And that Burlington race was after a rainout in Oklahoma earlier in the day. Good try though.
BIG J
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Posted By: Twenty8 on October 31 2011 at 06:23:17 PM
Why do the #9 and #15 still get their tow and place money ?
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It's called double standards!
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October 31, 2011 at
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What about every driver who competed in the Osky Front Row Challenge? That is a WoO NON SANCTIONED EVENT!
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October 31, 2011 at
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Hay woohoo explain to me why im clueless.
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: Apollo on October 31 2011 at 07:53:50 PM
Hay woohoo explain to me why im clueless.
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your comment,
Theres limited tv time . So why have the big time sponsers if you have to worry about tow money and purses if you have million dollar sponsers like Kinser and company.Race when and were you want to and tell them to stick it up there a$$ .They use to have to race from track to track for gas money. Now they are all rich and lazy so they just set at home and complain.
How many of these teams besides TSR and KKR teams that have huge sponsers? Who are you calling rich and lazy? This thread is about Jason Sides and Sides motorsports. Are you calling him rich and lazy? I hope not. This guy busts his ass. After a race and a couple of beers, you'll find him at the car wash. He unloads his stuff, washes, dries it off and than cleans the trailer floor and wipes his tools and equipment down. He than loads it all back up to , if the truck needs fuel you may see him at the truck stop paying for it. He grabs a few hours of sleep at a hotel that he pays for, gets up grabs some restraunt food that he pays for and than drives to the next race if there is one. Is that lazy? I think the only thing that he is complaining about is that he is not being treated fair and the the world racing group is stealing money that belongs to him. If you have a million dollars to throw his way for sponsership, maybe he can become lazy. Don't say he is just complaining and lazy, that's where I called you cluless!
i just remembered i was supposed to remember to
remember something but cant remember what i was
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: woohoo on October 31 2011 at 08:34:32 PM
your comment,
Theres limited tv time . So why have the big time sponsers if you have to worry about tow money and purses if you have million dollar sponsers like Kinser and company.Race when and were you want to and tell them to stick it up there a$$ .They use to have to race from track to track for gas money. Now they are all rich and lazy so they just set at home and complain.
How many of these teams besides TSR and KKR teams that have huge sponsers? Who are you calling rich and lazy? This thread is about Jason Sides and Sides motorsports. Are you calling him rich and lazy? I hope not. This guy busts his ass. After a race and a couple of beers, you'll find him at the car wash. He unloads his stuff, washes, dries it off and than cleans the trailer floor and wipes his tools and equipment down. He than loads it all back up to , if the truck needs fuel you may see him at the truck stop paying for it. He grabs a few hours of sleep at a hotel that he pays for, gets up grabs some restraunt food that he pays for and than drives to the next race if there is one. Is that lazy? I think the only thing that he is complaining about is that he is not being treated fair and the the world racing group is stealing money that belongs to him. If you have a million dollars to throw his way for sponsership, maybe he can become lazy. Don't say he is just complaining and lazy, that's where I called you cluless!
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A couple of minor points here. I would be very cautious if I were Sides to proceed with any legal action because of the possible costs and risks involved. I could very likely end up costing him far more in legal fees than any monies he could receive in a settlement or verdict. Also he did sign the contract and while I disagree with WRG's methods of handling the situation a documented phone call and two text messages will hardly hold up as an attempt to secure a waiver for that event. I love Sides and sure hope he gets his money but the racetrack has far less pitfalls than the courtroom
More weight, more regulation, more similarity in the
cars.... that will ensure plenty of thrills for years
to come. Only the most average talent behind the
wheel will be needed with such awesome equipment on
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October 31, 2011 at
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I said Kinser and company. I dont blame Sides for sueing. He needs the tow money worst then anyone. But if i did something I loved for a living I would want to race more. But im from a different generation. It was cool when Wolfgang picked and choosed his races in the Beefmobile. When Kinser took the wing off and kicked the cra butt for an extra ten grand was classic.
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October 31, 2011 at
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How would one donate to the Jason Sides Legal Fund?
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: joemizzou on October 31 2011 at 09:55:46 PM
How would one donate to the Jason Sides Legal Fund?
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I would quess you could use this information to find out.
For additional information, contact:
John G. Deckard, Esquire
317-803-2456
Also, if you find out, please post I would be more than happy to make a donation also.
i just remembered i was supposed to remember to
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October 31, 2011 at
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Posted By: joemizzou on October 31 2011 at 09:55:46 PM
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I like your way of thinking...but I was actually thinking about taking this one step further. How about starting a sponsorship fund for him. It should be called the:
2012 Piss on WRG - I'm Doing My Own Thing! Go get em Double Down!! I'd donate to that!
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Posted By: Apollo on October 31 2011 at 09:46:12 PM
I said Kinser and company. I dont blame Sides for sueing. He needs the tow money worst then anyone. But if i did something I loved for a living I would want to race more. But im from a different generation. It was cool when Wolfgang picked and choosed his races in the Beefmobile. When Kinser took the wing off and kicked the cra butt for an extra ten grand was classic.
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This isn't about Kinser and Company! This is about a company that is doing a good guy wrong, it's about double standards. Double Standards for Double Down Sides!
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