Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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sheesh, it IS a bashing thing. you just bashed ASCS and the track yourself, lugnut. but, since you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, you know best

simply interesting, I myself was asked if my sanctioning body required a physical before racing? ,this was by my physician! obviously I was mentally ready to go racing? so I asked Doc , hey, can i strap in? new parts, hot motor, just learning new stuff, start of the season, sponsors friends family is excited ect ect , ! funny thing is, in fifteen years of racing, I have never been required to drug test or provide a passing physical record !, Ive competed with the WoO! no requirements , I had a physician put it in his terms (he flys planes competitively) "I never go up if something doesn't feel right" I mean how many second chances is there in a plane ? the ride must be a rush! but still? worth it ? my medical history isn't terrible, I'm young , but, Ive had a few hereditary "bumps" to overcome , Dover's, please make Jack understand the importance of sitting one out, If he loves the sport so much/ect, make sure he is a around to run again when time permits , we've lost a few good wheelmen the past few years on track and off , reality is, nobody is looking out for your own ass but yourself, "be smart today so you can act stupid tommarrow"

Hippa violations only pertain to physicians, this is a public board , If the physician let some information out of the bag voluntarily with no questions asked and his trail can be traced then he is in violation, his license and practise, therefore, can be in Jeopardy? , just like anything else there is small print, and a good lawyer can weed through the holes, Most physicians can afford good lawyers. JMO

I'd say there's several reasons why this was brought up regarding Jack and not Ricky.

First off, there was no detailed information on Logan's case, just that he was released from the hospital and had a headache.

Secondly, and this is pure speculation on my part and probably unfair to Jack, but Ricky has been around for a long time. I would say that he has more experience in estimating how injuries will affect him in the car. Also, I would assume the fact that Jack is only 20 and has his whole career in front of him (with a ton of potential) plays into it for most people. Ricky runs his own deal and makes the calls, and I understand Jack is an adult, but if his parents do own the car, they should have stepped in.

As someone mentioned here, the sanctioning body's rules regarding earning points should be altered. Anything can happen in sprint car racing. I cringe to think about what could've came from Jack taking another ride in that condition. The results could have been life-altering.

no detailed information on Logan's case....like i said .....LESSON LEARNED !!!!

Thanks Ricky !!

I also would like to say that though it seems like I (and others) are lecturing and/or scolding the Dovers, that is not the case.

I really enjoy watching Jack wheel a sprint car and hope that this will raise awareness to other drivers that may find themselves in this situation. I also am excited about the prospect of watching him for years to come.

I've got a saying for all of you that are questioning whether Jack should have raced - "If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas". We can coulda, woulda, shoulda this to death, but the bottom line is - HE FINISHED 2ND, safe and sound and no one else got hurt either - and now everyone and their brother wants to arm chair quarterback the decision Jack made???

Results-oriented thinking isn't the way to look at it. Think about it, if you drive drunk and make it home, does it make it OK?

ASCS should have on file a medical release form,signed by the attending doctor, stating the the driver is in no way impaired or at risk to compete in a motorsport event...they don't need to know the extent of his injury...just that he's ok to compete...I'd like to see that ..fair enough

There's laws against driving drunk. There are no laws against racing a sprint car after being knocked out. Comparing apples to oranges my friend. But, don't virtually all sprint car drivers have brain damage to begin with???

Drunk driving was a bad example. Results-oriented thinking is still the wrong way to go about it.

Seems like a poor decision to me to race that night. To me it doesn't matter if it was a rookie or the King, the sanctioning body has to develop some sort of a policy to follow in the future. Hopefully something good will come from this besides a second place points night. On a side note, if he was truly intending on taking a provisional for starting points that only is another reason to prove that sprint car racing does not need provisionals.

Jack's Mom, please lay the law down next time. We've all seen the 3 pages of RIP's for another young man that perished too soon. At 20, Jack's got a long time to accomplish his goals.

I can't think of many more dangerous health circumstances than a swollen brain and blood on the brain. The right blood vessel blows and you're gone.

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Mrs. Dover,

No one is picking on you, but your responses are beginning to paint another picture. If the only lesson learned here was not to say anything, but sweep it under the rug, what kind of lesson is that really? That's like a 5 year old coming back with the saying "my dad's tougher than your dad!" I really don't think alot of people realize the severity of brain-injuries and the results that can come from them. It seems that you have no problem now with the decision that was made Saturday night at Eagle, and that is what is getting to be rather alarming. Sometimes trying to save face ends up making you look worse. None of us here are condemning you for your actions, but are rather wondering what can be done to prevent it in the future. All of us are glad that everyone seems to be OK, be alot of us are concerned about what COULD have happened. Sometimes in life, it takes a big thing to learn a lesson. I think we have all learned alot in this situation and need to take the positives from it. Was it a bad deal and a bad decision? Yes. Do you think you would handle it different the next time? From what we are hearing from you right now, Im not sure. You would either handle it different or from what you are saying...LESSON LEARNED, and not say anything. I think if you were to look at the big picture, deep down inside you probably know it wasn't the best decision ever made. I hope you won't just sweep this under the rug and call it a LESSON LEARNED, but will instead use this as a learning situation and realize just how fragile all our lives are. Sometimes there is nothing wrong with simply stating that a mistake or bad decision may have been made and moving on and learning from your mistakes. WE HAVE ALL MADE MISTAKES IN OUR LIVES, that is why we continue to learn our lessons until the day we die. Please don't sweep this kind of stuff under the rug and use the onorey old line of "LESSON LEARNED."

I was excited that Jack came in 2nd the next night - but at that time I wasn't aware of how bad his flip had been and how it had affected him. When I read all about it - one thought came to my mind.

Jan Opperman.

Jack - I love you - love watching you race - and I love your family. Just do a little studying about Jan Opperman and maybe next time you will sit out a while (and maybe even next weekend). Please don't take the pleasure of watching you race in the future from me and the rest of us.

Carol from Mesquite, TX.

Sorry if this is too harsh but it just brought back to mind watching Jan later in his career. I realize that the two incidents are not alike - but it might have been. Please take care - and when ready - "Stand On The Gas" (like anyone has to tell you that).

p.s. - here's to a quick and complete recovery.

rather ironic that its 2 of the 410 blowhards i argue with often sounding off about this.

something tells me that if it was a 410 driver in PA he would be a hero and we would have 2 threads of 20+ replies explaining how the guy is the epitomy of sprint car racing.

John Lemon said it best earlier - there are not many more well versed in the sport than Tommie Estes - he knows much more than those trying to question his judgement due to their alterior motives.......

f-n blowhards must have not gotten their fill this weekend

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No, I do not "live on these forums to defend Eagle Raceway". I do, however, want people to have the actual facts and not just part of the information from one side especially when I am personally brought into the discussion. I would hope that your employees would do the same for your company in similar circumstances.

The officer to whom you referred was at Eagle Raceway as a security officer and in this case yes, I DO have more authority than he. We have had a rule at the racetrack for a number of years (as long as I've worked there in fact) that in such cases the mother, father and spouse are the only ones allowed into the pits and then, only when they have signed a release. We DID allow Adrian in before the rest of the fans from the stands.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

This should have been about 2 drivers not 1, Logan and Dover. With a bleeding brain and concussion COMMON SENSE either by the driver or the owners of the cars would've have prevented this from being an issue. I think everyone is just concerned for both drivers and the other racers safety. OKC fan, it doesn't have anything to do with the size of the engine so for once just leave that out of this. I'm glad everything appears to have turned out alright, hopefully next time, wherever it happens it is handled a little differently.