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kart91, somebody gets it, nice job Sir....

Sprint car racing folks please.  There are plenty of boards out there for the lunacy called NASCAR.  Why devalue what we have even further with such manufactured, senseless, retarding, money-worshiping, fecal-like matter?  Once again I'm ashamed to be involved in such a thread but the sinfull flesh is weak.  Alan please save us and remove such irrelevent destructive and unamerican posts involving the lie known as NASCAR.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Finally some one that makes sence.  Busch earned the points he had to get in chase.  They were not given to him.  Larson was great, but who knows if he wouild have won race.  Larson is a nice guy and I doubt very much he is complaining at all.  He has seen it all in his short racing career.  I also have not watched a entire race for a long long time, but it is because I do not want to take 4 hrs out of my day.  Anyway a good post.

I don't think anybody is questioning or stating that he didn't earn enough points to get in, rather they're of the opinion that a point system that allows a team to compete in 30% less races, is complete manure, I agree. Does anyone actually know the details of the rule/point structure that put KB in the chase? I understand the top 30 in points and blah, bah, I get all that. But the details.. does it apply to everyone, or just KB, was it in place last year, will it be next year? What's keeping a team from saving thousands of dollars by staying parked for 11 races and knowing they can still go out and win a championship? I don't keep up much on NASCAR anymore so this raises alot of questions for me, and apparently many others.

Wipe off that goofy looking Kool-Aide mustashe.

?   Why did you respond to a NASCAR post then?  Why did you even click on it?  This isn't a forum for all sprint car racing.  It is a forum for sprint car fans.  I will talk about and respond to anything I wish.

Kart91-agree with much of what you say, except for a couple of things.  I used to care about NASCAR because it was a form of racing and could sometimes be exciting.  The Car of Tommorrow ruined the racing and the new points system ruined the championship.  So to ask why we are complaining about a sport we don't care about?  We did.  They ruined it.  That is why you hear those complaining about it.  Also-did Kyle win the championship?  Yes-and he should have according to the rules.  On the other hand, if you have a point's system in place that allows this to happen, your organization is nothing short of a joke. 

Nascar has just discredited the definition of champion, why don't they give 'em all a chamionship trophy, so no one gets there feelings hurt.

That is a great idea and goes along with what this country stands for now.  Give a championship trophy to the top 35 in points, and all other drivers a participation ribbon!   Super idea!  

Busch didn't win the championship per the rules that were in place WHEN THE SEASON STARTED! NASCAR made up the rule that he had to win a race and finish higher than 30th after he was injured. You just can't be the season champion when you missed almost 1/3 of the races. And I am a Busch fan!

Spot on,  ++

Actually-the rule for being in the top 30 in points (in conjunction with a win) to be eligible to make the Chase was in place at the start of last year. 

Not that it is a good rule-but they did have it. 

Yep, the top 30 rule was in place at the start of the season but they also have a rule that you have to try to start all the races, too. NA$CAR granted K. Busch an exemption after the year started and he was injured but told him he'd still have to win and be in the top 30 in order to be eligible.

You are wrong.  The rule when the season started was that any driver who wins a race and finishes in the top 30 in points will qualify for the Chase (assuming there weren't 16 winners).  There is also the requirement that the driver attempt all 26 races prior to the Chase starting unless granted a waiver by NASCAR.  NASCAR granted the waiver to Kyle based on his injury, the same way they granted the waiver to Smoke last year after he missed 3 races after the Ward incident (Tony didn't win a race and wasn't in the top 16, so he didn't qualify for the Chase).  The same way they granted a waiver to Kurt Busch, who missed 3 races this year while he was suspended (he won a race and qualified for the Chase this year).  The waiver has been in place at least as long as the most recent changes to the Chase have been in place.

There is some confusion about how the system works. For starters, yes the old points system was easier to understand for the fan.(Matt Kenseth was the last winner under the "old" system) Their new system is based on points as drivers accumulate them and there was a cutoff line/ 30 positions and up to be included in the countdown to the year end champion. He did this winning 4 races and almost 2 more. So as the brackets narrowed down, he kept himself in the hunt with his smart driving and consistency. I compare this to the NCAA Basketball March madness where a team can keep winning and end up in the final 4.

 Glad to see Kyle win as I like first timers in victory circle and on stage. There are some greats who never made it there in the sport. Good to see Toyota be a champion also.

Geez.... get over it.  He is champion for 3 months and then it starts all over.

I have always been and probably always will be a fan of nascar and motorsports in general. When I was a kid growing up in the 90's I remember my parents not being able to afford cable so we would only get to watch maybe 4-5 races a year on tv. All other 25 or so races I would turn on MRN radio, get my Hot Wheel and Racing Champions die cast cars out and race them on the carpet. When we finally got cable in the late 90's I would revolve my sunday around watching races. Didnt matter if it was 400 or 500 mile races, I would watch every lap. We finally were able to save enough money to go to Pocano in 1999 and I had the time of my life there. The drivers were great, you had the group you cheered for and the group you booed, the announcers were awesome. At the end of the year, the driver who scored the most points was the champion and always the deserving one.

However, the Nascar that exists today is not what I grew up with. The cars are terrible and so aerodynamic dependent on clean air that it ruins the racing. Crew Cheifs use to make thousands of adjustments before and during the races, now they can barely adjust on them. I remember seeing Earnhardt, Gordon, Wallace, Labonte's, Martin, Marlin etc start in the back of the pack and actually race there way to the front and not needing to use pit strategy to win, now the only way guys can pass are on double file restarts or on pit road. Races hardly were won on fuel mileage now it seems like every other week it is a fuel mileage race. And a debris caution came out when there was actually debris on the track. Now we constantly see phantom debris cautions which are just used to stack the field up and "create" excitement. Drivers were men, and if something like Joey Logano and Matt Kenseth happened the delt with it like men. There are so many boys racing now that never have any class and need there pit crews to come save them from getting popped in the nose or mouth. If Earnhardt spun someone out, he faced the guy afterword....see the clip at Bristol with Rusty Wallace, See Jarrett and Gordon at Loudon, Gordon and Stewart at the Glen. If you are afraid to get discuss it after the fact and possibly get punched then you probably should not spin someone out. If you are able to face the music then go for it.

Finally the champion should compete in each race during the year. Kyle Busch is the champion based on the rules laid out this year and I have no problem with that. Fair and square this year. However, I find it difficult comparing his championship to any of Earnhardts and Gordons, Labonte, Kuwicki, Waltrip, Petty, Allison etc. They won the title by competing week in and out against each driver and more often than not they finished ahead of everyone throughout the whole year. Racing is not like other forms of sports. You compete against each team/driver each week to prove who is the best, a playoff system makes no sense. In my mind, like I am sure many people do, I will look back on my childhood and say those were the best racers "I" ever watched (didnt get to see Petty, Pearson, Allison, Etc). Comparing Harvick, Busch, any of Johnson's titles will always seem second rate in my opinion versus the drivers before the chase. I will continue the watch, but mostly I will be thinking about what it was like growing up and how much it has changed for the worst now. Maybe someday it will change again, I hope that it does

Kart 91 kinda like them saying Nikki Minaj rolled her eyes the other night. I seen her look to the right & then back left. I always thought that when you rolled your eyes you was trying to look at your forehead & your eyes went from left to right or vice versa.

Once again-not in agreement with this crappy format.  BUT, the waiver he received was because he was not an "Invader" into the sport for a small sample size of races.  He was a full time driver, injured during another event within their sanctioning body.  Therefore, they determined that he actually was attempting to qualify for all 30 races.  This rule is meant to keep a road course ringer or part timer from winning a race and then attempting to qualify for the Chase after the fact.  NASCAR knew there was nothing shady about his intentions so he was issued the waiver-and I agree with that part of it. 

Kyle did not break the rules nor did NASCAR bend them for him.  I just don't like the rules. 

.....all 26 races I meant.