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You can correct wheel spin with gears and also throttle control.  The latter, I believe, is the main goal here.  Make drivers have to drive the cars.  Also maybe, just maybe, a lower horsepower car might hook up better and be more competitive. 

My only concern is whether or not the drivers will let this succeed. From what I have seen and heard most of the 360 drivers who have been racing with SOD the past years will be racing with Great Lakes Super Sprints. It is the new 360 series starting in the region. If the drivers support that series and boycot SOD like it appears they will then who races with SOD? Can they get enough cars to come out to know if it is s truly working? If they only draw 10-15 cars a night then changes might have to be made even though it might actually be working. I guess time will tell. I hope for the fans in the area are treated to two great series.

Why would a new 360 series who obviously must have their ass out of joint over the lack of engine rules call themselves "Super Sprints"? Who is behind this new series... I couldn't find anything about them on the net?

IMO... although well intended at the time 360's and 358's are the worst thing that ever happened to sprint car racing.

http://tjslideways.com/2015/10/19/qa-with-great-lakes-super-sprints-found-barry-marlow/

I agree with you on the name.  He has a facebook page and website.

Rumor is the drivers from SOD were not happy because they were not asked for an opinion on the changes so someone stepped up and started a new series.  I believe the race and points payout are better than what SOD offered, but I dont know if SOD is changing.

100% false on the need for new wheels.  Tested and proven.  Any racer knows you won't get side bite?  Talk to the drivers that tested them.  As far as not being able to run them on those wheels, the test was done by the tire manufacturer, with tires and wheels that were mounted by the manufacturer, so I think they know what they can and cannot do.  Side bite, IMO, will not be what the guys are wanting more of, it will be the lack of fwd drive, which will have guys wanting them on as wide of a wheel as possible.

As far as car counts, with all engines being legal,  I don't think SOD will be the ones lacking for cars.  I've spoken to a number of SOD drivers that are on board and that number seems to be increasing every day, also quite a few that will be new to SOD and some that haven't been around in a while.  My question is with car counts already flirting around the 20 mark with many races in the teens in 2015, if any drivers at all stick with SOD, how will the new "series" get enough for a full show?  Are more guys going to rush out to buy an ASCS 360 with the promise of 10 shows in MI?   Rumor I'm hearing is many guys do not like the idea of a series run by the longtime backer of one of the top teams with support coming from that car owner. 

Not sure the logic in creating a 360 series with the name "Super Sprints". In this area, Super Sprints has alway meant 410, or unlimited.

I have been around Michigan racing for a very long time, and remember SOD back when it first started. I remember the Mark Meads, the Mike Shaws, and the days of Lower and Fedewa duking it out on the track. I have also been around teams that have been running and supporting SOD too. I have watched racerguy6n's dad bring in many guys in who have done nothing but run the series downhill. The pay hasn't increased, the contingencies are literally nothing. Why would someone want to run all the races and win the championship, only to get a small chunk of money and a wheel cover?  How many drivers has SOD have that have ran every single race with the purpose of winning the championship the past few years?  Slim to none.  How many races has John Naida came to in the past 5-10 years to support his series.  I can count on one hand & still have some fingers left.

The guy starting the new series - GLSS - he has been at all the races as a fan. And supported a lot of drivers over the past few years. He's likeable.  He calls the drivers, ( don't know of any drivers John has called unless there family) just to check in, even before he started this series up. How many drivers have talked to John Naida?  How many of SOD's drivers even KNEW who John was before he made the big announcement last year? Barry wants to have a series FOR the drivers.  Rumors that I'm hearing are that a lot of the drivers aren't happy with the changes made without even asking the drivers for there opinion by a guy that hardly attends a sprint car race, let alone a race of his own series. Hardly seems like a smart move when there is no series without the drivers.

As far as the results from the "testing" - where's the video of how the cars handle? Where are the drivers comments on what they think?360 faster then 410.. Anything ?? They got 2 drivers - Naida's son-in-law and one of his good friends to do the testing. I agree with making changes to make the races more about driver and less about the car.No one has to run out and buy a 360 to run in Michigan because they already have one & there's plenty in Ohio too.

100 % true on need for new wheels , tested but not proven If you were a good racer you would know what it takes to get forward bite and side bite is a BIG part of that. No one in their right mind that has a 360 is going to race with unlimited motors. I take it you were'nt at Plymouth for the 360/410 race. What a joke, the 360's did'nt have a chance. I have to agree with pushrod. LMFAO.

Looks like pushrod is big on a personal vendetta against anyone who has ever worked for SOD or does so now.  Makes you wonder if he has ever contributed a single positive thing to sprint car racing ever.  At least SOD is stepping forward to help sprint car racing, who else has?

Ok now lets really think about this.  The cars have been locked down for way to long! This will put the driver back into the game for sure.  If they are also right I really think this could be the start of a good change for sprint cars!

Everyone is tired of being out motored or out funded on motors.  If SOD is right this could help everyone in that you won’t need a $40,000 motor to win.  Let face it the cost of racing is out of control everyone bitches about cost and the have-nots.   Seems to me the only people that are really against this are the people that have a lot of money in motors.

My guess you will see some well funded teams try this and if they do not run up front they will run for another series that they can dominate.

Look no one likes change but if we all thought that way you would still be running without a roll cage.  For all of you that are old enough to remember when sprint car racing did not have a motor rule, we had both big motor and small motor cars win.  WHY because you could not put the power to the ground!

I'd be ultra butt-hurt too if a series devalued my $50k ASCS engine that I just got. Instead of personally attacking the people who have CHOSE to make a group for you to dominate (and in the last few years mainly by outspending everyone), why don't you continue to use your engine to win races?

Because now you need a 410? Good, you have 2. Use them to not suck hind tit at Eldora, and continue to oustpend and out engine everyone, if that is truly what YOU think this will require.

Bottom line is you guys are pissed your ultra expensive, R&D'd engines aren't a huge advantage anymore. Never seen more cry baby D*CKHOLE grown men put up a bigger stink about something in my life.

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I love it. common sense coming back to sprint racing. By the way, +10  on the above post!

When the Outlaws said they were going to unhook the cars, Kinser and klan tried starting the NST instead. Same story as usual.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Word from up in the mitten state is that pushrod owes the head of the new series a fair amount of money.  Do you think that pushrod has become the mouthpiece for the new series attack on SOD to work down his tab?  Hmm…Wouldn’t surprise me to see pushrod working for the new series next year.

I'm not trying to argue, but I have a question. 

If Daggett has better equipment and dominates because of it, why are guys signing up to race the new series with him?

I have seen racers like Ridenour, Tuenessan, and other say they will be racing with GLSS. If the new rules in SOD allow everyone to be more competitive, why wouldn't they continue to run with the series. They haven't proven they can beat Daggett but they figure they have a better chance than against SOD with more favorable rules? 

A taller tire in no way creates less wheel spin. Actually it creates the opposite because of less contact patch on the surface. It would however be a way to manipulate the lack of choice in size for more stagger.

Another situation is no need to buy all new wheels as you need only purchase halves to recreate the width if so desired. I believe this is a positive moving forward. Someone else said the need to purchase new tires more than re using the same sets would only be of driver preference. Rework an older set with the grooving iron & siping can help the old harder tires to regain as best expected traction.

A cheaper way work in progress is always better than a project that is detrimental to a racers budget!!!

I have a question. If this new sod series is going to be so great, will the owners own son run the series? How about his son inlaw will he run the series? I dont think so. Why? Neither one of them ran sod much last year. Why. Were they not competitive enough? Seems odd to me you would think they would support their own family...... All you keyboard cowboys on here say the cars have been locked down to long, are talking about the people who are winning the races, the guys who do their homework, these are'nt the guys running around the pits asking everyone else what to do to their cars to get faster. Every one of you have the misconseption that more motor will make you faster, car setup and tire choice, shocks, torsion bars, driving style ect..... will win races. I know guys that have more motor than I have that cant even finish in the top ten. It's not all motor guys. I for one am not going to run sod next year, who wants to run with a series that has different rules than everyone else and have to try to get their car to work with this tire and rules combination and then go to race another series and change everything and try to be competitive not to mention the extra money spent to run two different series.

Ha Ha. This might be the funniest post I've ever read.  I'm probably better off ignoring a dumbass comment like that, but I'll bite anyway.   We've all spent countless hours working together on the series and promotional side of the sport over the years, so there is no doubt in my family's mind that they have my support.  As far as my 2016 racing plans, I don't know yet.  Since I've spent my whole career supporting SOD until I was fortunate enough to get a ride with a great family that lives 5hrs away near Ohsweken Speedway,  it will once again depend on what they want to do.  I hope to have the opportunity to run some SOD races, and if so, I'll run as many as I can.  We'll have to wait and see.  In the meantime I look forward to supporting them in any way I can.

Speaking of support, I look forward to supporting them today by tuning into the Winged Nation radio show as John Naida talks about the new SOD rules.  Check it out at www.wingednation.com.

I have the balls to sign my name to a post, do you downforcedude?  Or will you just hide behind your screen name?

LMAO, thanks for the laugh,

Dain Naida

OK, everybody for years have said there's too much horsepower in the engines, then main thing is getting it to hook up.  So who cares if it's a 410 or 360?  On a right track either one might have an advantage.  By the way, John Naida has probally forgot more then most even know about sprint car racing.  To think he doesn't know what he is doing is laughable.

Before I made it to Dain's post, I was thinking "I sure wish people on the internet would just use their names to post stuff rather than everyone having to try to decode the encryption to figure out who people are."  Then I saw Dain take accountability for his posts and now I think "I sure wish people on the internet would just use their names to post stuff rather than everyone having to try to decode the encryption to figure out who people are." 

Eric Smith, posting on behalf of Eric Smith as Eric Smith, using the screen name Eric Smith

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You hit the nail on the head sir. No matter what the rules are in any given series, the people who do the work, have the knowledge and have the talent will always come out on top of those who want to sit back and let success crawl on their lap or those who think that money is a suitable alternative to hard work and talen. I think we can all agree that costs are an issue in sprint car racing. Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm only a fan and I'll readily admit that I don't know jack shit compared to someone such as yourself who actually races but It's not necessarily the cost of the equipment/maintenance that's the problem, its the cost of the equipment/maintenance vs. the amount of money that guys are racing for. If purses don't come up, cost is gonna have to come down. People like to talk about what an engine or tires cost in 1986. Well there's this thing called inflation. A bottle of Pepsi was a lot cheaper back then too wasn't it? The difference is, the inflated cost of 2015 Pepsi vs.1986 Pepsi is still within what most people are willing and able to spend for a bottle of Pepsi when factored in with what their income is. Here in Pa, the purses haven't grown much since 1986 but the costs of fielding a team have. I won't claim to know the answer but this issue isn't all about just what the cars cost. It's also an issue with what the purses pay out too.