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To say that running two special shows on the same night is ok is plain stupid.  Yes, on a normal night that is already set in stone months in advance - it is perfectly normal.  But on special event nights, that is just plain dumb.  If it was no big deal, why did Fred Rahmer promotions switch from Saturday to Sunday?  Port shouldn't have cared by this logic but for some unknown reason the date got switched.  I suppose if Susky doesn't have a Speed Week show next year, they should just add an a high paying event the day of the Rahmer and Path Vally  event and it would be perfectly acceptable (now I'm sure Gobrecht and his staff have more class then this).

Rahmer promotions saw an opportunity to go after a speedway in transition and jumped at the opportunity to screw them.  Call it "just business" or whatever you want but when Gobrecht puts a bunch of money into Susky and Path Valley becomes the biggest dump in the area, all these gimic promotions that work four or five times a year will no longer be a draw in my opinion.  I hope he knows what he is doing because I'm sure other promoters are looking at what he is doing and would probably think twice about leasing their track to him in the future (again just my opinion).  So Rahmer Promotions will be hitched to Path Valley for good or bad and car counts have fallen, they are still good but are falling.

Yeah, I don't see them being "hitched" to any track. Fred's events draw BIG crowds and BIG money. He'll be successful and have no problem booking tracks.

Like i said earlier I live 10 minutes from Susky and I'll be at Path Valley on the 18th.

So which tracks are going to allow him to promote? Port - no, Grove - no, Selinsgrove - no, Lincoln - they did once but rumor is not again, Susky - not after this debacle. Hey maybe he can do Trailways. Don't you think he approached other tracks and was told no. Track only gets a fee, promoter makes the money. If they feel like he will screw them over at some point, they will not help him. Like i said - when you pull something shady like this, karma will be a bitch.

The more posts you create , the more you are proving you know less than you think you do.

Ok so what's this "rumor" about Lincoln not letting him promote a race there again???? I really can't wait to hear this one.......

The only thing that's special about Susky's show is the fact that it's on a Sunday and that they aren't a weekly 410 track. The purse is basically a standard weekly purse. Rahmer's show on the other hand, is definitely a special show. I forget what the purse is but it's pretty good plus all the contingencies he offers. This is no different than Lincoln having an All Star show and Port running a regular show on the same night. A couple heavy hitters stay on the porch and run the regular show while the All Star show gets more of the heavy hitters. That's exactly what is going to happen this weekend and like I said, Rahmer's show isn't going to hurt Susky more than Susky has already hurt itself. Gobrecht is going to do some great things with that place but right now, its still a shithole with a cow pasture as a surface so they're going to get the same subpar car count that they've been getting until the improvements start being made and then, you'll see the car counts go back on the rise again. Susky is going to have a similar crowd and car count as what they got the last 2 or 3 times they ran a 410 show and that isn't Fred's fault. Rahmer isn't trying to break one off in Susky's ass, he's just doing what he feels is best for his show. He obviously didn't want to run Friday because of the cold weather. If you're going to run Friday, you can't start very early due to most people not getting off of work until between 3:00 and 5:00 pm. Port is not a shitholegoin Susky and is offering a time trial show with a slightly increased purse and running against them wouldn't have worked out quite as well especially due to Port being 45 minutes up route 75 from Path Valley. The crowd and cars would've definitely been split. In this case, the cars who are still supporting Susky will be there as well as most of the fans, Rahmer is just going to get the cars who quit racing at Susky as well as some of the fans who quit going there plus some fans who live closer to Path Valley who don't normally attend Susky anyway. You really need to quit being blinded by your disdain for Rahmer and look at this objectively.

Is this a problem because its two tracks that don't regularly run 410s? I don't see the issue. I won't be attending either race because I work third shift so I lose either way. Maybe Fred was planning on going against Fisher since it was way before the Gobrecht purchasing announcement. I think everyone just needs to calm down and pick a race and enjoy being able to go at all.

Is Goebrecht involved in the races in 2015?  I thought Fisher was still promoting for the remainder of the year.

That is correct. Gobrecht purchased the speedway but he is allowing Todd Fisher to still run the remainder of races so that he can kind of sit back and see what it's all about before he takes over running the program. 

Again, if this wasn't rescheduled in the past six weeks, it would be no big deal.  Personally, I do not know Fred Rahmer the person, the racer or the promoter. What I see from an objective point of view is someone who had a date, got push back for having that date and put it on top of a another show on very short notice - which ultimately hurts the fans and teams at both tracks.  I agree with you that there was a lot of self inflicted damage Susky did - especially the night of the URC show.  A lot of teams that had been going on a regular basis for the past two years have not come back since that night.  Teams like Monteith, Wolfe, Marks have not been at Susky on a regular basis if at all so that doesn't change to much.  Fred Rahmer promotions - since it was a late reschedule could have choosen from any number of open dates (and although we know it is going to be cold Friday, there was no way he knew that weeks ago when the decision was made).  I see your take on Susky as a shithole and by most accounts it is bad.  Path is equally sub par on all facilities except a nice racing surface - albeit small.  So apples to apples, both are very bad facility wise but Path has a better surface and Susky has a better configuration. My problem is the arrogance of the decision which will probably make both shows sub par.  If promoting is truely about the fans and doing right by the owners and drivers; making a last minute decision like this helps no one.  My "distain" as you put it has nothing to do with Fred Rahmer the person, it has to do with the transparency that his ego is bigger then the fans, drivers and car owners.

The only subpar show on Sunday will be at Susky. Path Valley will have s very good field and a good crowd for this time of year. He may not have known the exact weather forecast but everyone knows that once you get to this time of year, it gets very cold at night 90% of the time. I don't know for sure, but I'll guarantee you the start time is the primary reason he chose Sunday over Friday. On Friday, you can't afford to start any earlier than 7:00-7:30 due to the fact that most fans and teams can't get there much earlier than that due to work. The decision wasn't arrogance, it was just him doing what he thought was best for himself. Selfish? Maybe you could say that but in this business, you have to be selfish most of the time if you want to survive. That's just the way it is.

I thought Susky had to cancel first???