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The WoO post Swindell & Kinser era:

Interesting ideas but I guess we will see what happens when it happens.

i really think we can't compare baseball and football to this form of auto racing when sprint cars are not on there stage to compare to.

sprint car racing will survive for sure but will the Woo? My opinion is no that's all, I hope I am wrong

i think  I can't speak for other people and that is my mistake, I will say not that it matters but I will be done going and watching  new and exciting up and comers in the sport cause they are just looking to go cab racing and and I don't think woo can survive that cause Steve and Sammy were the reliable factor over the years that held it together and made it a series to watch, now we will watch a guy like Larson come in and kick ass and whip up on Steve and Sammy just to run to a cab series for the money then claim they love sprint car racing so much,I don't know Larson but a question I have is for him would be that, why not race where you want to instead of going cab racing, he would look you in the face and say the money...... Steve and Sammy and schatz are not poor doing what they love so it makes no sense IMO 

i guess if we had true grit racers wanting to be in sprints only then woo survives

we need a list of all the exciting guys left after Steve and Sammy in woo that will hold you at attention???????

then when we name them will they taste success with woo and run to cabs?????

how can the series survive everyone wanting to run another series like cabs???

i thought they had the Busch series for this not woo???

The series won't die, but as pointed out above, it will hurt the promotors. The series needs some young hotshoes to spice it up and get the excitement like we saw when Sammy, Steve and Doug were youngsters. I think biggest obstical on seeing the "Young Guns" getting their shot is the lack of a clear path to a fulltime WoO seat. You can bet that when Kinser's seat opens up, it will be filled by a veteran driver. Think about it, who was the last "Young Gun" to run at least half of a WoO season.

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unless a team/driver can step up to the plate to be a "rival" for Schatz, it will be back to the mid 1980's on teh WoO tour (when Kinser dominated and won 24 of the last 25 events in 1987 for example).

Racing needs rivalries (we always had Steve, Sammy and Doug in the 1980's, we lost Doug but gained Mark K. and Lasoski in the 1990's, then lost Mark K. and Lasoski (due to retirement or loss of rides) and gained Schatz.  When we lose Steve (and eventually Sammy), who's hte next one to step up and take their place in the rivalries??  If we don't get at least 2-3 to step up, the only one left will be Schatz. 

I personally have no issue with this, as you can then use the "who's gonna beat Schatz" to sell tickets, but having a rival for the top dog always seems to work out better.

At least this year we will have TK out there full time and I really hope he will be a threat EVERY night!  I know it is asking too much for him to win the "big banana" but for a Cali boy.,....oh, how nice that would be.  I think Wheelied would go "plum crazy" if that were to happen.  I know TK will give Schatz a run for his money every night so it will be fun watching what happens.

 
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I don't even know where to start here.  But I guess I'll start with Larson.  Cab racing, as you call it, can set up himself and his family financially for generations to come if he is successful.  Sprint car racing, not so much.  And it's not like Larson is going away, he'll still be in a car from time to time I'm sure and he's also building a team for Shane Stewart.  Guys like Kyle, Tony, and Kasey are going to continue to be great for sprint car racing for years to come. 

On to Steve and Sammy being reliable.  You do realize that both of them would've left sprint car racing in the dust had their NASCAR ventures turned out better, right?  Or do you not even know that they tried to leave.  Steve ran the Kenny Bernstein car in Cup for about half a season and was let go.  Sammy bounced around stock cars/trucks for a few different teams as well.  He even ran the initial season of the Craftsmen Truck Series.  I think he finished 10th in points but couldn't get anything fulltime for the next year so came back to sprint cars and had some of his best years. 

I think the WoO will be fine as long as they keep trying to improve the racing and continue to pull in new names to add to the series.  This year has the potential to be the best for the WoO and the All Stars in a long time. 

I guess I must have read the announcement wrong. The way I read it was he was not going to be a full time World of Outlaws point racer any more. I didn't read where he was quitting for good. To me, that means he will race where and when he wants to. And Tony Stewart has said that it's his car as long as he wants it. I don't think the world is coming to an end quite yet.

I'll keep going! My concern is that NASCAR will take away young guns. Can you imagine Larson going full time WoO? He'd bring in the fans. Judging from his part time results last year,TK will challenge EVERYONE!

But I'm gonna make an effort to see more wingless this summer... Indiana Speedweek or bust! One visit to Haubstadt sold me!

One more thing: #11 should be retired! Just like #42 in baseball

You'll probably lose some casual fans, but as long as there is a NASCAR tie-in (with the Stewart/Kahne cars and Larson owning/driving) you'll make up for that.
As long as the Outlaws are percieved as having a lot of really good drivers and certainly as the best group of drivers in the country, you'll always have interest. Donny Schatz may not have the following of a Steve or Sammy, but that doesn't mean people don't want to see him get beat. For example, he is "the Outlaws" in PA, you beat him, your hero beats "the Outlaws". It's a bigger draw there now more than ever.

Exactly.  The locals go to see "their guys" beat the traveling circus.  Has always been that way and will continue.  Only thing that will keep the crowds away, in my opinion, is the price of the ticket.  Out here..the $40 ticket is gettig common and a little steep for my pocket!  I think a TK/Schatz rivalry on the circuit this year would be a good thing!  Spice it up a little.  TK can certainly bring some color  (and personality) to the program and that will be a BIG plus.

 
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+1

Please name the last guy from the WoO series that went over to Nascar and what year that occurred? Since the WoO series in your opinion is simply a breeding ground for them to immediately go over to Nascar once their name has been heard.

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That's right, a winged car never has been, OK Blaney, and never will be the way to what they now call the "big time". The Saturday NASCAR show doesn't count, it's a almost.

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Just like the number '3' and the '43' are in NASCAR.

When I go to an Outlaw show, it is NOT to see Sammy OR Steve.  I've seen them, and at this juncture of their respective careers, there are many drivers that put on as good, if not a BETTER show.  They are who I go to see.  If you regularly attend a track that has maybe only 4, 5 touring group Sprint races a year, of course I am going to see the WoO.  Brett Favre is no longer a Packer, but I keep going to see games and watch on TV because it is what I like to do.  It just so happens that they have a guy by the name of Aaron Rodgers now, who stepped up and put on the big boy shoes and it is still exciting on Sundays.  My point is that I am going to see the collective WHOLE, not one individual.

I think people say that the WoO will go away because they want them to go away which is not smart. Again, if you do not have a national circuit then it hurts the sport like them or not and the ASCS does not do 410 racing. Some people think that the WoO is nothing more than a traveling circus but I have never really seen promote "come watch the locals take on the outlaws," except for the Posse. I have yet to go to an outlaw show and say wow there were more cars at the local show than this one. The drive talent into tracks such as a Tim Keading, Brian Brown, Ian Madsen, Jac Haudenschild, Shane Stewart, and other who run an actual outlaw schedule. That is what fills the stands. Knowing that you will be getting some of the better/different drivers int he nation at the track than what you normally would. Not bashing local racing because it is needed even more so but you also need the bigger series that can pay the money. Yes Steve will be gone but that just leaves the door open for someone else to step up and have a full time ride.

For the sport to survive, fans have to introduce friends/co-workers/children to the sport.  It is hard to take a friend who is unfamiliar with racing back into the pits to catch a glimpse of the best of all time sucking down Marlboros.  As great as Kinser was, he's at the end of a legendary career.  Instead of talking up Steve and Sammy, why not talk up Schatz and Pittman.  There are some great drivers out on the WoO tour right now.

Anyone who says the WoO will fail without Sammy and Steve want it to fail without them.

And, as much as I dislIke NAPCAR, guys like Kahne, Stewart, and Larson are still keeping themselves involved in the sport which at least helps it gain some attention.

I am sorry for me saying it wrong.

i mean sprint car and midget racing combined lose a lot of talented drivers in general not just specifically woo 

another comment earlier about not blaming Larson for taking care of his family and getting money from cabs, I am not blaming him I can't , he loves sprints but wants to run cabs and it's his choice.he is a great talent so he is going for the money who would not?

we lost a great driver to cabs and it's the way it is, I  think IMO he is in a shitbox In cabs and he will not do much in that car but that's my  opinion , you can have all the talent in the world. at cab level  it takes a lot more then talent behind the wheel to be successful. 

I wish him the best I really do but in a cab have you seen him wheel the car to the front and stay there?

 Sprints are one thing but cab is another just ask Steve and Sammy they couldn't do it so maybe he will but the odds are against him IN the cab he will be driving. 

Ya mean people have been going to the WoO shows to see "way past their prime" Kinser and Swindell these past several years?  Ya kiddin me!  People attending the races today could give a crap if they are there or not.  Two years ago Swindell didn't run more than half the WoO races.  I don't see anything changing at all.  The same guys who have been at the top of the top 5 night in and night out will still be there, nothing will change.  The stands will continue to be packed.  Personally, I was a great fan of Kinser until the 2nd time he tried to destroy the WoO, that was it for me, once was forgivable, the USA Sprints, twice shame on me,  the hell with him.  As Ted Johnson lay there in his death bed and giving one last interview to either Flat Out or Sprint Car and Midget magazine, the interviewer asked him to comment on drivers and when the interviewer mentioned Steve Kinser, all he said was "no comment", i.e., my mother told me if you can't say anythign nice about someone, don't say anything at all".  But my mom didn't tell me that. 

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