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cahoona
August 02, 2013 at 10:28:53 AM
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Posted By: sprintcarfan1 on August 02 2013 at 09:28:41 AM

And I just don't understand some of you "fans".....honestly how can you say Kyle Larson is not amazing?  Just turned 21 and has more wins than alot of veteran drivers....winged 360...winged 410....non wing...midget....truck.....NASCAR    K& N series.....doesn't matter what he races...or where he races....he's ALWAYS up front contending.....way more times than not......So...is he better than Lasoski?  Well.....Danny has over 30 years experience...Kyle is 21 years old.....I don't think that's really a fair ?......But if you're a true fan you gotta appreciate talent and Larson definitely is full of talent....and Lasoski showed why he is the best in the history of Knoxville last night also....Just my 2 cents worth



+1  the kid did great. its safe to say he has already went farther than dude did..



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August 02, 2013 at 10:34:49 AM
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Posted By: sprintcarfan1 on August 02 2013 at 09:28:41 AM

And I just don't understand some of you "fans".....honestly how can you say Kyle Larson is not amazing?  Just turned 21 and has more wins than alot of veteran drivers....winged 360...winged 410....non wing...midget....truck.....NASCAR    K& N series.....doesn't matter what he races...or where he races....he's ALWAYS up front contending.....way more times than not......So...is he better than Lasoski?  Well.....Danny has over 30 years experience...Kyle is 21 years old.....I don't think that's really a fair ?......But if you're a true fan you gotta appreciate talent and Larson definitely is full of talent....and Lasoski showed why he is the best in the history of Knoxville last night also....Just my 2 cents worth



This is the thing that really bothers me re: Larson. The kid is amazing. He's got bundles of talent. But his supporters show blatant disrespect to other drivers constantly, this original post included. 

He's incredibly versatile and can win in anything he's been put in. But this a board that is centered around Winged Sprint Car racing and there's quite a few guys who solely drive Winged Sprint Cars that I would take over Larson. Truth be told, you can look at the facts alone and see why I say this. Larson's 1/16 (6.25%) for wins in Winged 410 races on US soil this year. And I'm supposed to all of a sudden take him as a favorite for the biggest Winged Sprint Car race of the year?

I don't personally dislike or disrespect Larson. He's an incredible driver with a lot of talent and will likely have a very long and successful career, but I do not consider him in near the top echelon in Winged Sprint Car racing at this point. It's no disrespect to him - just being truthful.

However, saying anything that's not 100% positive of Larson on here is apparently akin to denouncing Catholicism in Eastern Europe in the late middle ages. 



MSPN
August 02, 2013 at 10:42:10 AM
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Jealousy, one of the seven deadly sins, isn't it?  Some people never will get it, last nights A-Main was one of the better ones I've seen in some time....




chilly
August 02, 2013 at 10:51:19 AM
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Posted By: MSPN on August 02 2013 at 10:42:10 AM


Jealousy, one of the seven deadly sins, isn't it?  Some people never will get it, last nights A-Main was one of the better ones I've seen in some time....



That's the 360 Nationals for ya!  Just off the very top of my head, I can think of the McCarl/Brown last lap pass in '09, the Lasoski/Cornell battle last year, and then last night's masterpiece.  Are you getting into town on Sunday Mike??  We'll have to meet up at some point... been too long!



ricci49
August 02, 2013 at 10:52:29 AM
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This message was edited on August 02, 2013 at 11:35:50 AM by ricci49

If you haven't seen that race, find a way to see it. That was an epic battle by both drivers. Larson applied all the pressure he could and the Dude held him off. Some of the cleanest dicing for a win you'll ever see. Hats off to the Dude and the Norcal Ninja! 

 



chilly
August 02, 2013 at 11:14:34 AM
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Below were the top 20 in pts after the qualifying nights last year.  With the quality and depth of the field tonight, points are going to be hard to come by...

1. Roger Crockett 486

2. Shane Stewart 482

3. Kevin Swindell 480

4. Brady Bacon 480

5. Danny Lasoski 479

6. Dusty Zomer 475

7. Jack Dover 471

8. Brooke Tatnell 470

9. Paul McMahan 467

10. Danny Wood 465

11. Wayne Johnson 464

12. Clint Garner 464

13. Jonathan Cornell 462

14. Tim Kaeding 461

15. Ryan Anderson 459

16. Rager Phillips 453

17. Brad Sweet 451

18. Randy Hannagan 448

19. Kaley Gharst 447

20. Jason Johnson 442




Mod9Fan
August 02, 2013 at 11:19:36 AM
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on August 02 2013 at 10:34:49 AM

This is the thing that really bothers me re: Larson. The kid is amazing. He's got bundles of talent. But his supporters show blatant disrespect to other drivers constantly, this original post included. 

He's incredibly versatile and can win in anything he's been put in. But this a board that is centered around Winged Sprint Car racing and there's quite a few guys who solely drive Winged Sprint Cars that I would take over Larson. Truth be told, you can look at the facts alone and see why I say this. Larson's 1/16 (6.25%) for wins in Winged 410 races on US soil this year. And I'm supposed to all of a sudden take him as a favorite for the biggest Winged Sprint Car race of the year?

I don't personally dislike or disrespect Larson. He's an incredible driver with a lot of talent and will likely have a very long and successful career, but I do not consider him in near the top echelon in Winged Sprint Car racing at this point. It's no disrespect to him - just being truthful.

However, saying anything that's not 100% positive of Larson on here is apparently akin to denouncing Catholicism in Eastern Europe in the late middle ages. 




So I'll take a shot at converting you: (providing my stats are correct)

winning percentages by class on dirt: (2012)

class               wins                    total races              percentage

Midgets             1                            2                            50%

410 Winged       5                           26                           24%

Silver Crown      0                             1                            0.00%

360 Winged       2                             5                           40%

410 Non-Wing   7                            17                          41%

360 Non-Wing   2                             2                           100%

 

total                 17                           53                           32%

All of this while running a Stock Car on Pavement and Winning the K&N Series. I'll take my chances betting on
Larson racing Anything, Anytime, Anywhere, because even if he doesn't win, it's a hell of a show!

Drink the Kool-Aide man and be happy!

(easy everybody, just having some fun).

 

 

 

 



armyduke
August 02, 2013 at 11:25:18 AM
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Posted By: cahoona on August 02 2013 at 10:28:53 AM

+1  the kid did great. its safe to say he has already went farther than dude did..




The kid did great, Dude did a little better, and Wayne Johnson most impressed me last night.  It's safe to say Lasoski went the same distance, but quicker, as the kid did last night...



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August 02, 2013 at 12:08:20 PM
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Posted By: Mod9Fan on August 02 2013 at 11:19:36 AM


So I'll take a shot at converting you: (providing my stats are correct)

winning percentages by class on dirt: (2012)

class               wins                    total races              percentage

Midgets             1                            2                            50%

410 Winged       5                           26                           24%

Silver Crown      0                             1                            0.00%

360 Winged       2                             5                           40%

410 Non-Wing   7                            17                          41%

360 Non-Wing   2                             2                           100%

 

total                 17                           53                           32%

All of this while running a Stock Car on Pavement and Winning the K&N Series. I'll take my chances betting on
Larson racing Anything, Anytime, Anywhere, because even if he doesn't win, it's a hell of a show!

Drink the Kool-Aide man and be happy!

(easy everybody, just having some fun).

 

 

 

 



All outstanding numbers - the 410 non-winged number is really impressive. But like I said, I'm more of a Winged Sprint Car fan than anything and that's the majority of what this forum is about. 24% a year ago is really good as well. 

It's just not as good as someone like Schatz, who has won 16 of of 55 (29%) in 2013 against much stiffer competition.

It's pretty annoying to see people just flat out miss my point repeatedly. Larson's a fantastic driver and in overall driving skill, there's only few better, but when you focus solely on Winged Sprint Cars there's several that I would put in my theoretical ride before him. 




Rudedog83
August 02, 2013 at 12:22:20 PM
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That was one hell of a race last night!!!!!!!!!! None of this other stuff you guys are arguing about should matter. There are a lot of good drivers out there. Hopefully somebody else put's on a show that again tonight.



TWSprunk
August 02, 2013 at 12:26:05 PM
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Posted By: ricci49 on August 02 2013 at 10:52:29 AM

If you haven't seen that race, find a way to see it. That was an epic battle by both drivers. Larson applied all the pressure he could and the Dude held him off. Some of the cleanest dicing for a win you'll ever see. Hats off to the Dude and the Norcal Ninja! 

 



+1

Baffling that some can't simply acknowledge a great race between those two and leave it at that.



oklahomabreakdown
August 02, 2013 at 12:31:39 PM
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on August 02 2013 at 12:08:20 PM

All outstanding numbers - the 410 non-winged number is really impressive. But like I said, I'm more of a Winged Sprint Car fan than anything and that's the majority of what this forum is about. 24% a year ago is really good as well. 

It's just not as good as someone like Schatz, who has won 16 of of 55 (29%) in 2013 against much stiffer competition.

It's pretty annoying to see people just flat out miss my point repeatedly. Larson's a fantastic driver and in overall driving skill, there's only few better, but when you focus solely on Winged Sprint Cars there's several that I would put in my theoretical ride before him. 



That race was really fun to watch.  Not only was there a great battle for first, but behind them there was action all over the track.  That was just night 1 of 10!  Can't wait for the rest of it.

 

As for saying that Larson isn't as good because of his numbers this year in a winged car.  I would say that if he focused only on racing sprint cars every night and ran 55 times like the outlaw guys have that his numbers would be pretty comparable to anyone in the country.  Think of the difference between running a sprint car at different tracks around the country now add to it the difference between: wings, non-winged, 360, 410, midget, nationwide, K&N, and trucks.  It isn't an easy thing to go between such a variety of cars each week and still run well in every single one of them.  The talent of Larson is undeniable.  




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August 02, 2013 at 12:42:21 PM
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Posted By: oklahomabreakdown on August 02 2013 at 12:31:39 PM

That race was really fun to watch.  Not only was there a great battle for first, but behind them there was action all over the track.  That was just night 1 of 10!  Can't wait for the rest of it.

 

As for saying that Larson isn't as good because of his numbers this year in a winged car.  I would say that if he focused only on racing sprint cars every night and ran 55 times like the outlaw guys have that his numbers would be pretty comparable to anyone in the country.  Think of the difference between running a sprint car at different tracks around the country now add to it the difference between: wings, non-winged, 360, 410, midget, nationwide, K&N, and trucks.  It isn't an easy thing to go between such a variety of cars each week and still run well in every single one of them.  The talent of Larson is undeniable.  



YEP !  (The talent of Larson is undeniable).

still stirring!

 



Stealth87
August 02, 2013 at 01:34:22 PM
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Posted By: oklahomabreakdown on August 02 2013 at 12:31:39 PM

That race was really fun to watch.  Not only was there a great battle for first, but behind them there was action all over the track.  That was just night 1 of 10!  Can't wait for the rest of it.

 

As for saying that Larson isn't as good because of his numbers this year in a winged car.  I would say that if he focused only on racing sprint cars every night and ran 55 times like the outlaw guys have that his numbers would be pretty comparable to anyone in the country.  Think of the difference between running a sprint car at different tracks around the country now add to it the difference between: wings, non-winged, 360, 410, midget, nationwide, K&N, and trucks.  It isn't an easy thing to go between such a variety of cars each week and still run well in every single one of them.  The talent of Larson is undeniable.  



I feel if Larson were to run the entire Outlaws schedule and nothing else, he would be top 3 in points with at least 5-6 wins this year. He has finished second somewhere around 6-8 times this year. And he all but had Kokomo wrapped up for another WoO win until late race contact. Very few are as consistant as Larson night in and night out. I agree that Donnie is fast and a damn good driver. But I think this thread is geared towards the 360 Nationals per the heading... Queue Shane Stewart chat...


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I just had to reply to this thread....these forums get really silly....

I have been watching sprint car racing since 1975 when I was 10 years old. I saw Sammy come through the c-main at Knoxville in 77, i was there. I saw Wolfgang dominate in in the mid 80's. I was there. I saw Kinser dominate. I saw Sammy and Schatz wrestle at the 50th Nationals. I saw Jan Opperman ride the rim at Millstream....

After wathcing Kyle Larson during All Star Sprint week last year and this year, I have to say that he is just as talented as the best. the way he throws his car around and wills it into tight spots, and still keeps control...I just have to say Wow!

My suggestion for all of the fans is to Just enjoy Kyle Larson while we can. Enjoy them all, because they are all great racers.

 




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Posted By: no nerf bars on August 02 2013 at 01:44:11 PM

I just had to reply to this thread....these forums get really silly....

I have been watching sprint car racing since 1975 when I was 10 years old. I saw Sammy come through the c-main at Knoxville in 77, i was there. I saw Wolfgang dominate in in the mid 80's. I was there. I saw Kinser dominate. I saw Sammy and Schatz wrestle at the 50th Nationals. I saw Jan Opperman ride the rim at Millstream....

After wathcing Kyle Larson during All Star Sprint week last year and this year, I have to say that he is just as talented as the best. the way he throws his car around and wills it into tight spots, and still keeps control...I just have to say Wow!

My suggestion for all of the fans is to Just enjoy Kyle Larson while we can. Enjoy them all, because they are all great racers.

 



Amen.



vanh
August 02, 2013 at 02:42:38 PM
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Regardless who is the best in your mind the old man school him on the last corner 

I am proud that someone that age[ either age] can put on a show like that

Enjoy while you can



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Posted By: smokerudrinkplayeruget on August 01 2013 at 10:39:31 PM

Yeah he schooled mister Larson...10000 laps there vs 200 laps ,maybe??  How many laps to make a graduate??  Want to bet on who finishes in front saturday?? ...No...didn't think so....



I  am  ready  to  bet  so  name  your  stakes....  unless  your all  talk...kinda  think  so.....




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Posted By: SprintFan16 on August 02 2013 at 12:08:20 PM

All outstanding numbers - the 410 non-winged number is really impressive. But like I said, I'm more of a Winged Sprint Car fan than anything and that's the majority of what this forum is about. 24% a year ago is really good as well. 

It's just not as good as someone like Schatz, who has won 16 of of 55 (29%) in 2013 against much stiffer competition.

It's pretty annoying to see people just flat out miss my point repeatedly. Larson's a fantastic driver and in overall driving skill, there's only few better, but when you focus solely on Winged Sprint Cars there's several that I would put in my theoretical ride before him. 



 And just why would anyone with the talent and the opportunity to get to the "big time" like Kyle has, just run sprint cars with wings stuck on them?... Winged Sprint cars no matter how popular they are, is a dead end street if you want to get to the big show and the big dough.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 



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