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interesting thing, the 2 years he was #1 was when he drove the NANCE SPEED EQUIPMENT sprint car !!

Yawn...

You cats can't handle the truth!

Steve's record in big races dwarfs Sammy's.

It is true that Sammy raced in less WoO races than Steve and there were a couple of years in the early 90s where Sammy probably had the fastest car in the country and would have won the title had he followed the tour, but it's not really a debate who the #1 sprint car driver of all time is. It's clearly Steve Kinser.

I guess the real truth is too painful to acknowlege.

When facts and numbers come in to play you take your ball and go away... have a good day.

the years WOO did not travel many cars,, what year have they ever had more than 17, even those years 6-8 of those cars had tough time making the A whant at a sprint track with quality competition. Pre mid 80s at many of the tracks the WOO ran a 35 car field for a one night chow was considered very pour car count, 50 cars for two day show was average. More guys were building their own cars, wings, motors, today you can buy just about anything the top drivers run, except perhaps sammy and steve both old school still try to do some things in house to give them the edg

e, it will be a sad day when niether of them race the knoxville nats. I have never really been a Sammy fan but respect the hell out of the great driver, mechanic, and engineer he is, still smile every time I see a shiney black TMC truck rolling down the road and think of one of the greates ooking sprint cars ever to hit the track.

I'm going to make this post, but I want to be clear....the following in noway is an example of disrespect towards Steve Kinser.

As noted, Kinser is the King...the record is undisputed, however.....that's like saying AutoZone is the King of autoparts, just because they sell more. Does the quality rival that of NAPA, or some others? Likely not, so while Steve is 'King", Sammy was, is, and always will be, THE MAN. Very few sprint fans -outside Sammy's legion- understand our dedication. We set a higher standard for ourselves. A lot of people can't handle that aspect and just want to argue the numbers. Let's argue the substance; the general car knowledge, the driving ability, the understanding of 'how things work' such as fuel system components, tires, shocks, wings, chassis design, winged vs non wing chassis set up, brake systems, etc...

When you compare the two men on those levels, there is NO COMPARISON. Sammy wins. So, Kinser fans, take your one win on the numbers, and we'll take our numerous wins on all the other facets - which it takes to make an overall better racer.

Let me intrigue you all with a scenario:

You have an unlimited budget to field a WoO team for one year, but....you MUST employee either Steve or Sammy for the entire season. And, whichever you choose has to pull duty as your Driver/Crew chief/chassis set up man/shock package & tire main/engine maintenance guy. The only other team members would be the truck driver, mule operator/car washers, helpers etc.

Now...how many of you guys are gonna call the King?

Just wonder what a Karl Kinser/Sammy team would have done.

Posted By: MoOpenwheel on April 01 2013 at 12:18:52 PM The butt hurt is quite comical. Here's all you need to know. 574 WoO wins. 20 WoO season championships. 12 Knoxville Nationals championships. Get back to us when ANYONE gets close to ANY of these numbers.

FYI MoOpenwheel...kudos on providing an exemplary way of ignoring my earlier post. None of the "Crown Toters" want to acknowledge Sammy's prevalence over Steve on ANY subject matter. Fact of the matter is Karl played a vital role in making Steve what he is today. The bulk of Sammy's success came without a "Karl" in the background. Not meaning there wasn't a good support group behind Sammy, but he didn't have the liesure of someone like Karl preparing every facet of the car FOR him....Sammy was involved in preparing it all himself.

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Jeff Lynne must be one of the favorite recording artists of this group. All songs written, produced and performed by Jeff Lynne. Jeff Lynne: lead vocals, background vocals, lead guitar, rhythm guitar, piano, bass, keyboards, vocoder and cowbell. Hard to believe how much talent some people have. I currently don't have an unlimited budget to field any team. But if I did, we would have fun helping out any number of underfunded teams. Fifty years of sprint car racing was never about a higher standard. It was and is about having fun. And even if it was just for one night, I'd call the King or the Man, THE MAN FROM MIFFLINTOWN.

I don't care how good your crew chief is.

If the guy behind the wheel can't drive...the wins don't come.

Steve's record speaks for itself and no amount of Karl or Gerkin can get a car to the front without the best driver in the seat.

Steve's record over the years proves he is the King.

I don't base this on what he is doing this year. We're talking forty years of this grind.

I'm an Opp fan but when it comes to the king of sprint car racing...there is one..and that is Steve.

 
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The car counts in the 80`s and 90`s were WAAAYYY better than they are now. NARC in northern Cali, non wing at Ascot, Phoenix, huge car counts at Knoxville with plenty of great drivers/teams and of course PA. Steve was still running non-wing shows after the Outlaws went to all wing and just as good or better as anybody. Also, how many Knoxville Nationals has he won and Sambo still has the 1.

Hey Steve! What have you done for them lately...?

per www.knoxvilleraceway.com/HistoricEvent.aspx?id=20

Car Count

1961…59
1962…75
1963…78
1964…87
1965…102
1966…97
1967…92
1968…77
1969…77
1970…105
1971…96
1972…109
1973…98
1974…95
1975…113
1976…90
1977…124
1978…129
1979…108
1980…90
1981…86
1982…92
1983…106
1984…104
1985…101
1986…104
1987…126
1988…111
1989…125
1990…134
1991…166
1992…158
1993…149
1994…132
1995…145
1996…153
1997…154
1998…140
1999…130
2000…128
2001…126
2002…116
2003…114
2004…119
2005…118
2006…128
2007…105
2008…110
2009…107
2010…100
2011…99

I'll give you the car counts at the nationals in the 90's were extremely good, but the car counts of the 2000's to today are actually BETTER than the 1980's (1045 from 1980-1989) - 2000's (1171 from 2000-2009) car counts in 2010-2012 are better than first 3 years in the 1980's as well.

I would argue that the QUALITY of the field in the 2000's to present is WAYYYY better than it was in the 1980's and early 1990's.

What were the car counts for a WoO Wednesday night show in 1987? You can pull Knox Nats car counts to reconcile the "Great Car Count Debate".