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March 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: Sprinter 79 on March 21 2013 at 12:49:33 AM
I am sure that there are exceptions to the rule. There are always going to be places that require different formulas and that is a good point and it has been noted. I guess I just wish that there was more of an effort made to help control this stuff. The same basic thing is happening with the 305's that happened with the 360's, and now you need to spend 410 funds to race 360's for less money. It just seems to defeat the purpose. As for Knoxville and stock bottom ends, I am sure that there aren't. My driver was involved with a fellow that ran at knoxville with a 305 however, and he said that the knoxville guys turn the motors 9,000 or so rpm's, so there again the question must be asked, is it the engine that really needs to be that good, or the racer needs to operate within a reasonable means to drive the cost down? We are not a very bright group of people most of the time, we racers. So in the end I would concede that maybe there are tracks that are going to require better parts, but that should not translate into the entirety of the class needing to spend that money. Out here in the Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin area we (as in personally, not as an entire class) have been turning our engines 8,000 rpm's and they are staying together. I had run the same 2 bolt main 305 complete bottom end for 3 seasons. Does it win, NO. Is it competitive, yeah with a good driver. That has been my short coming.  We converted to a 360 last year because it did not make any sense for me to keep spending the money that I was spending to race for $100. for a 10th place finish. MY 360 was a $4,000 engine, but it did a little better job of paying for itself, which makes the racing a little easier on the pocketbook.
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I totally agree, this is why we steered away from the 305's . It wasn't worth the money and effort to go race for a hundred bucks.
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March 22, 2013 at
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I'd like to drive your car if your turning it 8000 rpm. I know my stops pulling at 7000 rpm which ive only let it pull that much on the last race of the year wide open the whole race. A basic racesaver 305 built fairly cheap puts out around 460 hp so if i had the money You can bet your ass id buy that engine right after french teched it first.
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March 22, 2013 at
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Gonzo you hit the nail on the head. My legal Racesaver motor would turn 7200 with any gear I put in it, I ask French about these motors turning 8000 and he said they are not legal, it can't be done with a legal motor. Now im sure there will be several people post about how they turn there motor 8000 every night and are legal but mine wouldnt and the man that built the series said it can't be done. Sure would be nice to see some kind of claim rule on these motors.
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March 22, 2013 at
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March 22, 2013 at
11:42:23 AM by Sprinter 79
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Posted By: pack on March 22 2013 at 10:21:17 AM
Gonzo you hit the nail on the head. My legal Racesaver motor would turn 7200 with any gear I put in it, I ask French about these motors turning 8000 and he said they are not legal, it can't be done with a legal motor. Now im sure there will be several people post about how they turn there motor 8000 every night and are legal but mine wouldnt and the man that built the series said it can't be done. Sure would be nice to see some kind of claim rule on these motors.
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I don't know about your racesavers. You can turn a 305 at Burlington 8,500 or possibly higher if you have the money to keep an engine together at that pace. There are no lift or cam rules other than they must be mechanical flat tappet and you can run any 23 degree iron head that has not been touched from it's original casting. They can make power at higher rpm's, which is a part of the reason that they are so expensive. I would like to see one spec iron head and some cam rules put in place. It would help control costs.
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March 22, 2013 at
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There is bottom line answer in a nutshell. The rules packages should be standardized across the country so you legally run anywhere you choose. Rules that keep the cost down & give you enough power to have some HOBBY fun.
Pick your poison as all racers do, but remember what it costs to have fun doing it..
I feel that collusion between the motor builders in Pa. that were asked there opinions on what to do to prevent the cheating on the 358 heads has virtually killed off the class knowing that 360's are the next & most popular step up. ASCS rules the class but it to has proceeded to get out of control for the costs with more frequent rebuilds because of maxing out the power plant.
JMHO
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