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For those of you on this topic that want to run your mouth about stuff that you have no clue shut your trap. Brandnew33 u are one of them i am talking bout. to say there was no air mask is wrong. for being the first person to corey when this happened on being on the scene i KNOW. I bagged him for a time being while everybody was rotating duties. For the ambulance thing if LifeCare had been on stand by that rig would have not been able to transport him because they are there for standby purpose only. They still would have to wait for another rig to come in. For this Swamp moran, i am a qualified EMS provider and did everything i knew for what we had. and for his wife being down there helping is because she is an EMT herself and she was not going to stand back and watch. we tried to pull her away and she refused. that's her nature. Only thing i do agree with that was said on this whole topic is that the track should have an AED. So quit with the rumors and stories because more than likely you were wathing from the bleechers.

There wouldn't be "rumors" flying around if the track management had been prepared to put on an event in a safe manner. You need to redirect your anger at those who are responsible for the situation in the first place. If there had been a proper ambulance present then there would have been no "rumors".

"So quit with the rumors and stories because more than likely you were wathing from the bleechers."

If it wasn't for people in the bleachers your sorry ass would have been at home eating stale microwave popcorn and watching reruns of freinds and raymond. Would you have been happier then?

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HEY!!!!!!! Corey is in the HOSPITAL! The details don't matter at this moment so SHUT UP!!! Let's just all come together and wish Corey well. As much as I don't like the owner of the track and how he runs his track, now is not the time to be getting into a p*ssing match over the ambulance. Let the drivers and car owners handle their concerns with Ralph. THEY are the entertainers, and if THEY decide not to run then THEY will leave together.

So, get well Corey I hear the Cat-scan came back with no brain damage. Let's hope this isn't someones wishful thinking but indeed the truth.

Yes, I think he would have been happier at home than being in that situation. I was right there, I certainly would have rather been somewhere else. This person spent Friday helping to save Corey's life, and has to hear this from you?

Jim Fisher

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You missed my point. This site is advertised at my local tracks as well as several others I'm sure. Fans are encouraged to visit this place and participate in this forum but when one of us fans "watching from the bleachers" has an opinion or has heard a "rumor" that someone "in the know" doesn't agree with then we are supposed to shut up. Sorry! It doesn't work that way. Without people like me paying to sit "in the bleachers" this sport doesn't exist and people like you have a different hobby. The fan's opinion and perception is paramount! Get it?

I'm certainly happy that this person was there to help Corey. Have no doubt about it. I'm certainly unhappy AS A FAN that they had to wait 20 minutes on an ambulance. This sport is already dangerous enough without subjecting the participants and fans to further danger by not being prepared for the situation.

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Thanks for the support Jim. At least some of us that were there has some common sense and an understanding to what we went through that night. It isn't fun trying to save one of your freinds lives.,

I have attended races at tracks where the initial medical services were provided by EMTs (??) with the victim being loaded into an at-track ambulance.  However, the person then had to wait for an ambulance to arrive from off-site, had to be transferred to the off-site ambulance at the track, and then transported to a proper medical facility.

My hat is off to those facilities that have the proper medical resources including a "street legal" ambulance.

It seems to me that this is a case of "once is twice on them, twice is shame on me."  If any drivers agree to compete at a track without proper medical facilities and equipment, I guess they have to accept the responsibility that goes along with that decision.

Tucson Osty

Bottom line however, when a venue fails to have proper safety issues under control at all times, it affects every other venue of that type in the country.

I am lucky, Knoxville is my "home track". Knoxville has several ambulances at their disposal, as well as full equipment to rescue and save a life whether it is cause by a worn out body or an accident.

Some day all race tracks will have the equipment on duty at all times to take care of problems.

Till then all race tracks will get a black eye for a few.

I am glad at least trained personel were there, that is very important also.

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Speaking of common sense, doesnt it seem like common sense that a race track would have a working ambulance that can leave the facility if necessary like Friday night. I agree with you Powerslave and honestly I think that the track should be shut down, until they can figure out what there doin over there because obviously no one has a clue. and Ralph should do us a favor and maybe sell the track to someone who knows wut dirt racing is and stick to his piece of shit Galesburg.. But wut I seen friday night was just totally sickening, took them 10 minutes to get him out of the car, then another 35 minutes for an ambulance, just ridiculous. Get well soon Corey and do us a favor stay away from the Shit Hole..

here we go again, racerman 454 talking more shit. It may have took us 10 min to get him out but we had no clue to what was wrong with him. You are showing me that you have no background into EMS. The way Corey hit the light pole we instanly thought he might have been knocked out. In that case you DO NOT REMOVE THE HELMENT and take c-spine. That is holding his neck and not letting it move. After no response we finally found what the problem was. Extracation is not a fast process. There are many small details that you have to take into concideration. I am a firefighter also and there is no way to extracate someone from a vehicle. We had to hold his neck to prevent any spinal injuries while taking him out. them trying to get him out period. There is not much room. also during that time period you forgot to mention that the top wing had to be removed. We can't just snap our fingers and make it all happen. You sound like a non trained person that has no clue what goes into a motor vehicle accident. After doing it for 10 years I know whats going and what to do. So quit bitching about how long it took. There were many reason why.

that is no easy way to extracate some one for a vehicle

to TFD......first off....Before saying anything......I was not at Butler.

I am sure that people are thankful for your help in this situation and nobody is faulting the responders in any part of this tragedy (travesty?). A non licensed ambulance missing VITAL equipment is the largest problem in this deal. I would also ask.....since the track runs sprints weekly, it would seem to me (opinion from a sprint driver follows.....) that a little training/knowledge about the cars would also be of utmost importance. In this case, destruction of parts like a wing would be pretty minor in the overall picture. I made a decision a long time ago to not race at Butler. I have visited, but choose not to race there. My safety was the deciding factor. Not just with the crew, but also with the overall track layout, prepwork, etc.

To all other racers and fans.....hopefully things like this are alarms for us all to take a more active role in the safety of ourselves and fellow racers. Ask the questions....the worst that can happen is you get labeled as a loud-mouth a**. Trust me, its not that big of a deal Hopefully the ASCS SOD guys will be asking those questions this weekend in light of the problems we had at I-96 a few years back. Lord knows I will be asking them at Eldora this weekend, even though I have great respect for the safety crew there.

First off, my thoughts got out to the Bevard family....

Second, and i'll probably get my head bit off for this, at what point is it the driver's responsibility? As a competitor shouldnt we take more notice on the facility and personnel in regards to safety standards before we strap into the car and enter the track? Or is one to assume that since the track has insurance, they've passed some sort of inspection or wouldnt be covered? I can tell you after seeing some of the stuff i've seen over the years, I'm alot more aware of what is or isnt in my enviornment when I go to the track. If it's not up to my standards, I go somewhere else.

Unfortuneately, situations like this happen and don't really get resolved with finger pointing. Another sad truth, the cost of insurance has skyrocketed for our sport which leads promoters/track operators to cut corners at times, which is not a good situation at all.

USAC who?

First, I want to say that my thoughts and prayers are with Corey and his family right now.  This is a terriable ordeal to have to go through, no matter where or how it happens.

Now, I want to say that I am a little saddened and frustrated with this whole situation.  I was not there when this happened, and I am very thankful for that.  I had to hear about it over the phone moments after everything happened.  Let me tell you, the info I recieved at that point in time was way off.  That is how rumors get started.  So, for all the people that are on here that were not there that night, you dont know what really happened.  The only people who do know are the ones that were right there.  Sitting at your computer and antagonizing other people is not going to take care of this issue.  Right now, we need to focus on the fact that another racer is in the hospital trying to recover from a heart attack. 

Yes, there may have been issues with the ambulance.  I am almost sure that there was.  I have only been to the track once this year, and they couldnt even get it to fire when a sprint got upside down.  But, what good is it going to do to sit here and complain about it?  Is that going to get any results?  No.  If everyone has such a problem with what happened, then everyone needs to take some kind of action.  You want to boycott the track, thats your action.  You want to do something more, than figure out what it is you want to do and DO IT!!  Quit sitting here yelling at people thinking that will make a difference!!!

First of all, I wanted to let everyone know that I just got off the phone with Shannon and Corey is doing great. He is talking, walking, and they are about to move him out of ICU. This in itself is just short of a miracle. Do you realize that 95% of cardiac arrest victims don't make it to the hospital alive? That statistic is taken straight from the American Heart Association web site. That means Corey is one of the 5% that survive a cardiac arrest. A lot of people say he had a "heart attack"....no, you are wrong...he was in full cardiac arrest. His heart was not beating on its own. We can all be thankful for the quick response of those who initiated CPR, because that is what kept him alive until the Paramedics got there to defibrillate him.

Secondly, I can talk about this with some knowledge. A) I was there and I worked on Corey (I came from the stands); and B) I am a licensed Michigan paramedic. My friend and I were at the races in the stands (he is also a medic that came down from the stands to help). We saw them pull Corey out of the car...and it didn't take 10 minutes! I don't know who's watch you were going by, but 10 min did not pass from the time he hit the pole to when they got him out. They initially had to take precautions because they weren't sure what was wrong with him. Did he hit the pole hard enough to knock himself unconscious? Did he injure his C-Spine? You can't just go up and yank someone out of a car when they are involved in an accident! Once they determined that he probably wasn't unconscious from the accident itself, that's when they wasted no time on removing him. They immediately got him on the ground and started CPR. I helped ventilate him (bagged him with a bag valve mask) and that continued until Lifecare arrived. I am sure it felt like forever for the medics to get there...but there is some travel time when you are responding from Coldwater.

So many have said that an ambulance that sits at a race cannot leave because they are on standby at that race. That is incorrect. If there is a true emergency, they can transport ....they don't have to wait for another ambulance to get there to do it. The race cannot proceed without an ambulance on the track...that's where people are confused. The problem Friday night was this: The ambulance that was on standby at the track is owned by the track owner. It is not a licensed Michigan ambulance, therefore it cannot transport. Since it is not licensed, Mr. Warning felt that he did not have to obey the Michigan guidelines for what equipment is REQUIRED on an ambulance. The equipment that was vitally missing was the AED (Automatic External Defibrillator). This piece of equipment can defibrillate a heart that is in Ventricular Fibrillation or Ventricular Tachycardia. It doesn't "restart" the heart...as so many people believe...it shocks the uncoordinated electrical activity and tries to make function properly. Other equipment that was missing or malfunctioning was the oxygen, and there were only two oral airways in the bag. (Neither of which were the correct size to fit Corey properly). Basically, the only thing that kept Corey alive was the outstanding CPR that was being performed by everyone that was with him. The EMT's and MFR's that were working did what they could with what they had...and dammit, they did a great job! Had the ambulance at the track been licensed by the State of Michigan, it would have been inspected annually....and would have been required to have the correct equipment. Since it was not licensed, that is why we are having this discussion right now. So, you tell me...who do you point the finger at?

Let's all be thankful that Corey is still here to talk about this....because he is a truly fortunate individual to have survived this. In my 18 years of EMS (14 of it as a paramedic), I have had 2 cardiac arrest saves....and one of them was Corey. It just doesn't happen everyday like you see on TV...so you all need to be thankful that the people there didn't "freak" out because they didn't have the right equipment...they went back to the basics and did outstanding CPR.

Sonic

First of all; Thanks for the GREAT news!!!.Corey is a walking miracle.

Second of all: Thanks to the trained professionals who gave Corey his only chance.

Thirdly: Thank you Sonic for the post which should end the rumors and falsehoods.

Speed219,

You are very welcome! I was hoping this might clear the air and stop the mud-slinging!

Sonic

Sonic i couldn't have said it any better. thanks for the help the other night.

You are most certainly welcome. I would do anything for "family".

Regarding my previous post on this subject, I want to make a clearification.

The person I indicated above did not say "some EMTs are not "on duty", so they are limmited in what services they can perform." In posting this at a late hour after a long hot day at the track, I inadverntantly combined things from several conversations I had that night. I appologize for any confusion this has caused.

I am glad to hear that Corey is doing better!!!