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Topic: Gordon vs Boyer at PIR 11/11/12
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November 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: mini29 on November 12 2012 at 03:22:57 PM
I'll start by saying I've been a Bowyer fan for years, (since he's from my home state of Kansas and he was driving my drink of choice Jack Black 07), so take it for what it's worth.
Yes he's had incidents with Gordan (which I disliked since he jumped ship from Ford to Chevy in his early years) and his pretty boy pansy ass attitude! But for cars with fenders- 'rubbin' is racing and it seems to be about even on who has done the rubbing between the two.
Anytime you intentionally take some one out- whether its for a win or retaliation then you need to have the book thrown at you! Racing is a contact sport and people do some stupid things going for a spot- but intentionally wrecking some one is always uncalled for and unless you are an owner/driver- you are costing someone else a lot of money.
Honesty is the best policy so Gordan admitting he did it on purpose is a positive- but taking someone that had a chance to finish second (maybe on a long shot first) in any division is assanine! I wish Clint could have gotten to Jeff on the front straight and settled it like men- then we would find out who is the bigger man Jeff or Clint- (I bet Jeff would have backed down, but we'll never know for sure).
Didn't USAC penalize Levi Jones for an intentional take out of Stanbrough?
Sorry to be so long- but it was a total bush league thing that Gordan did.
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Actually USAC reversed the penalty against Levi Jones. Said there wasn't enough video evidence to assess the penalty.
And, I'm not a fan of either one but I still think Bowyer got what he deserved. And, I'll bet his pit crew gets hit with harder penalties than Gordon will.
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Posted By: mini29 on November 12 2012 at 03:22:57 PM
I'll start by saying I've been a Bowyer fan for years, (since he's from my home state of Kansas and he was driving my drink of choice Jack Black 07), so take it for what it's worth.
Yes he's had incidents with Gordan (which I disliked since he jumped ship from Ford to Chevy in his early years) and his pretty boy pansy ass attitude! But for cars with fenders- 'rubbin' is racing and it seems to be about even on who has done the rubbing between the two.
Anytime you intentionally take some one out- whether its for a win or retaliation then you need to have the book thrown at you! Racing is a contact sport and people do some stupid things going for a spot- but intentionally wrecking some one is always uncalled for and unless you are an owner/driver- you are costing someone else a lot of money.
Honesty is the best policy so Gordan admitting he did it on purpose is a positive- but taking someone that had a chance to finish second (maybe on a long shot first) in any division is assanine! I wish Clint could have gotten to Jeff on the front straight and settled it like men- then we would find out who is the bigger man Jeff or Clint- (I bet Jeff would have backed down, but we'll never know for sure).
Didn't USAC penalize Levi Jones for an intentional take out of Stanbrough?
Sorry to be so long- but it was a total bush league thing that Gordan did.
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USAC rescinded the penalty agains Levi Jones (much less bally-hooed Press Release).
I'm not a fan of either Bowyer or Gordon, just calling it like I see it.
Wrecking someone intentionally has happened for YEARS in NASCAR, it has always depended on who you are and what your track record was as to what penalty (if any) was handed down.
Don't forget the "I wasn't trying to wreck him, I just wanted to rattle his cage little..." comment from Earnhardt after wrecking Terry Labonte @ Bristol. He meant to hit him and knew it could crash him, but he didn't want to admit it. The most popular driver in NASCAR (if you go by merchandise sales).
Only drivers I've ever seen sat down for anything in NASCAR (in my recollection) is Harvick, Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch and those that failed the drug testing, everyone else gets put on "double secret probation".
If NASCAR does park Gordon, I hope they either park the car and don't race (probably won't happen), or put a veteran driving junk equipment drive it (Blaney, Nemechek, Elliot) or put in a rookie that looks like the next big thing (Kyle Larson, Ryan Blaney, Darrell Wallace, Jr., Chase Elliot, Corey LaJoie).
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November 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: SLINK51 on November 12 2012 at 12:40:37 PM
Whatever!!!! I could see if Jeff did this all the time. What happened to "have at it boys"
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nascar has already said "have at it" has its limits. they proved that with kyle busch.
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November 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on November 12 2012 at 03:53:43 PM
nascar has already said "have at it" has its limits. they proved that with kyle busch.
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And Kyle Busch was on probation at the time. That's the only reason he got parked.
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November 12, 2012 at
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Why is this on a SPRINT CAR forum? Let's leave this crap for other forums. NASCAR is a joke compared to 410 racing.
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Posted By: vande77 on November 12 2012 at 03:45:56 PM
USAC rescinded the penalty agains Levi Jones (much less bally-hooed Press Release).
I'm not a fan of either Bowyer or Gordon, just calling it like I see it.
Wrecking someone intentionally has happened for YEARS in NASCAR, it has always depended on who you are and what your track record was as to what penalty (if any) was handed down.
Don't forget the "I wasn't trying to wreck him, I just wanted to rattle his cage little..." comment from Earnhardt after wrecking Terry Labonte @ Bristol. He meant to hit him and knew it could crash him, but he didn't want to admit it. The most popular driver in NASCAR (if you go by merchandise sales).
Only drivers I've ever seen sat down for anything in NASCAR (in my recollection) is Harvick, Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch and those that failed the drug testing, everyone else gets put on "double secret probation".
If NASCAR does park Gordon, I hope they either park the car and don't race (probably won't happen), or put a veteran driving junk equipment drive it (Blaney, Nemechek, Elliot) or put in a rookie that looks like the next big thing (Kyle Larson, Ryan Blaney, Darrell Wallace, Jr., Chase Elliot, Corey LaJoie).
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USAC dropped the penalty after Tony Stewart cried long and loud enough.
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It's NAPCAR...Would you expect anything less???
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Posted By: spot1 on November 12 2012 at 01:33:12 PM
No, it did not cause another wreck. That wreck was caused when Jeff Burton turned Danica into the wall. She left the scene on fire from the massive oil spill her car was leaving.
What was the most disgusting thing about the race yesterday was NA$CAR's diregard for driver safety and not ending that race under caution.
Bowyer vs. Gordon? Bowyer got what he had coming to him. It's just too bad Logano and Almirola were swept up into it.
Those bitching that Gordon should be suspended must have subscribed to the Pussification of America and must be following the politically correct bull$hit anymore.
And, am I the only one thinking that the Heads of NA$CAR are secretly wringing their hands together thinking "Excellent!" after yesterday? They desperately needed something to get the public's attention because the TV ratings sure suck, attendence is still down and you can't entirely blame the economy. They needed something to happen and they got it.
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bowyer didn't do anything to jeff. he barely got into him, then when jeff tried to spin bowyer out, jeff crashed himself.
then jeff comes out of the pits and WAITS for bowyer and takes him out plus 2 other innocent cars.
by the way, the last lap crash with danica would not have happened if jeff hadn't done what he did. so it can be said he did cause another wreck.
should jeff be suspended? i don't know, but they suspended kyle busch for similar actions. the only difference is kyle chased down someone and jeff waited for someone. also kyle's incident only affected him and hornaday. jeff involved two other innocent cars.
that's just my opinion.
to indy and beyond!!
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http://www.nascar.com/news/121112/nascar-penalizes-jgordon-cbowyer-bkeselowski/index.html
Penalties just announced.
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November 12, 2012 at
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That was about as exciting as that series has been this year.... reminds me of the 'good ole days'. 
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Nascar responds to retatiation at Phoenix International Raceway with fines. Jeff Gordon fined $100k and docked 25 owner/driver points. Clint Bowyer crew chief Brian Pattie is fined $25k and Official Brad Keselowski fined $25k for having his cell phone in the race car. Full Story: http://bit.ly/TFml1c
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Posted By: SLINK51 on November 12 2012 at 12:40:37 PM
Whatever!!!! I could see if Jeff did this all the time. What happened to "have at it boys"
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If NASCAR allows drivers to spin another driver out by tapping the driver in front of him by hiting rear bumper, NASCAR is part of fault. Drivers remember these deals and then are out for revenge. You can not rub and tap a guy ever week and not expect the same to be done to you or worse. Jeff and Boyer have been going at it for last 2 years. I do not know why if NASCAR fines you, that money goes to point fund. If Jeff crashed 3 cars, why not make him pay each team $25,000 each. Jeff is a good person and a great driver and I do not feel this who deal is just his fault. For sure the other 2 cars should have not have anything to do with Boyer and Jeff
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November 12, 2012 at
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so since the penalty is so minor, why does not hendrick have one of their other drivers take Kesolowski to the wall at the beginning of hometead race and just turn this shit into demo derby
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Posted By: lake_carl on November 12 2012 at 07:37:12 PM
so since the penalty is so minor, why does not hendrick have one of their other drivers take Kesolowski to the wall at the beginning of hometead race and just turn this shit into demo derby
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maybe jeff was practicing for just that.
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Posted By: lake_carl on November 12 2012 at 07:37:12 PM
so since the penalty is so minor, why does not hendrick have one of their other drivers take Kesolowski to the wall at the beginning of hometead race and just turn this shit into demo derby
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NAPCAR is hoping everybody tunes in to see!
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Posted By: WoOSprint514 on November 12 2012 at 04:00:21 PM
Why is this on a SPRINT CAR forum? Let's leave this crap for other forums. NASCAR is a joke compared to 410 racing.
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Don't read it then...
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Nascar is so inconstant with there penalties. Kyle Busch took out Ron
Hornaday last year in Texas which cost him a championship and Kyle was
parked. Jeff took Clint out who was in contention for a championship
with the issues that happened with the 48 and he gets a points penalty
and a fine. Be nice if they were consistent on there penalties.I was in
Phoenix for all 3 races. A lot of the championships got shaken up.It was
a great time.
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Posted By: richards157 on November 13 2012 at 12:03:23 AM
Nascar is so inconstant with there penalties. Kyle Busch took out Ron
Hornaday last year in Texas which cost him a championship and Kyle was
parked. Jeff took Clint out who was in contention for a championship
with the issues that happened with the 48 and he gets a points penalty
and a fine. Be nice if they were consistent on there penalties.I was in
Phoenix for all 3 races. A lot of the championships got shaken up.It was
a great time.
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can't you read......Kyle was on PROBATION......that is why he got parked........Jeff was not on PROBATION..thus not parked...
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on November 12 2012 at 04:59:12 PM
bowyer didn't do anything to jeff. he barely got into him, then when jeff tried to spin bowyer out, jeff crashed himself.
then jeff comes out of the pits and WAITS for bowyer and takes him out plus 2 other innocent cars.
by the way, the last lap crash with danica would not have happened if jeff hadn't done what he did. so it can be said he did cause another wreck.
should jeff be suspended? i don't know, but they suspended kyle busch for similar actions. the only difference is kyle chased down someone and jeff waited for someone. also kyle's incident only affected him and hornaday. jeff involved two other innocent cars.
that's just my opinion.
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Yes Boyer barley got in to him....but i think you are conveniently forgetting that there have been at least 3 other times that Boyer got the best of Gordon ..this might have been the last straw???...I guess next time Jeff should just go over nicely and ask him not to to it AGAIN.......I am sure that would work...
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Posted By: gone_racin on November 13 2012 at 12:39:36 AM
Yes Boyer barley got in to him....but i think you are conveniently forgetting that there have been at least 3 other times that Boyer got the best of Gordon ..this might have been the last straw???...I guess next time Jeff should just go over nicely and ask him not to to it AGAIN.......I am sure that would work...
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i understand the whole past history thing.
the thing is, bowyer didn't cause jeff any harm. yes he got into him a little, but he passed him and didn't cause jeff to lose any other positions or even get out of shape.
then jeff tries to hook clint and ends up crashing himself.
jeff has no one to blame for crashing but himself.
so to wait for clint and take him out was way past over kill, no matter the past history.
i think jeff was just pissed that he made a fool out of himself by crashing while trying to take clint out the first time, so he just took it out on clint and waited for him.
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