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lpjazz
November 07, 2012 at 10:58:04 AM
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Posted By: spot1 on November 07 2012 at 10:18:36 AM

Nope, I'm in a very non-union rural area. Unions are 50 miles or more away and they can stay that far away or get further away as far as I'm concerned.



That would explain your lack of understanding on the value of a union! It also explains why you back a republican...you want to be "the man" and take care of "the man" and the democrats and unions want to be treated fairly when they work for "the man"!



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November 07, 2012 at 11:06:34 AM
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Posted By: lpjazz on November 07 2012 at 10:14:55 AM

Funny spot! bin laden was killed under Obama's watch, not during Bush's tenure. I believe that falls under his list of accomplishments...a democratic office. Bush and the republicans had their chance and blew it. Sounds like you are another one of those that can't face up to the facts. Not a union man either, you probably are one that just enjoys the benefits of the union, but does not support those that provide for you.



THE only reason they were able to find Bin Laden is because of the interregation methods used during Bush aministration. Methods that Mr. O was so critical of!

Unions started out to be a great thing for the working stiff . . . . BUT then the corruption took over and they have priced the American worker out of the market . . . . Nafta and like policys moved the work out of state because they could no longer pay the wages the unions dictated.

 



Tucson Osty
November 07, 2012 at 11:36:58 AM
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On the subject of Bin Laden . . .

It is my understanding that the military had his location pinpointed at one time during Slick Willie's administration; however, he couldn't be located to give the approval to take him out so the opportunity passed.

I was aghast at one of Clinton's comments while he was stumping for the "annointed one" last weekend. "Slick" commented that he had been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and had pulled his hand out; however, Romney had been putting his hand in the cookie jar again and again and again. Say what? Whatever you think about Romney (and I wasn't a big supporter of him as I voted once again for the candidate I considered to be the lesser of the two evils offered us), he certainly hasn't had his hand in the cookie jar to which Slick referred.




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November 07, 2012 at 12:20:23 PM
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Posted By: Nick14 on November 07 2012 at 10:06:04 AM

Everyone seems to look down upon those who are on welfare and food stamps. My family had to go on food stamps when I was a kid not because my parents were lazy and wanted to live off of the government teet. My dad got laid off of his factory job almost at the end of every month and when I was born they let him and a lot of others go compeletly. My mom told me that he would go out each day and fill out applications going from one business to the other trying to get a job but no one was hiring in the area(this was around 1986). They had to move in with my great grandmother whom we lived with until she passed away a few years ago. My dad finally got lucky and got a job with the city here and was able to start saving money to move us into a better neighborhood. My mom was able to start working once I was old enough to go to school (because daycare is not cheap not even in those days) and we were able to move into a better neighborhood and we ended up having my great grandmother with us as a repayment to her for helping us out and not having to go through the embarrasment of standing in line with two kids as the grocery store clerk processes your food stamps. Luckily we were not on them that long. My parents were able to move us to the suburbs, save up to help me go to college which I worked my way through as well, and now I am fully employed.

Before people critize all the less fortunate people in the world, first walk a mile in their shoes. Trust me, know one wants to go through that. All we hear about are the small percentage of the people who take advantage of these programs which gives them a black eye. A lot of it is shere luck of the draw on where you are born. I was born in a lower economic class which was able to work their way into the middle class with a little help. People who have been born into a situation where they have never had to decide whether they will eat that night or their kids, should never look down upon someone who does.



I dont look down on people who need the assistance. I understand that bad things happen to good people. I do have a BIG problem with those that abuse the system !



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November 07, 2012 at 12:23:51 PM
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Posted By: Tucson Osty on November 07 2012 at 11:36:58 AM

On the subject of Bin Laden . . .

It is my understanding that the military had his location pinpointed at one time during Slick Willie's administration; however, he couldn't be located to give the approval to take him out so the opportunity passed.

I was aghast at one of Clinton's comments while he was stumping for the "annointed one" last weekend. "Slick" commented that he had been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and had pulled his hand out; however, Romney had been putting his hand in the cookie jar again and again and again. Say what? Whatever you think about Romney (and I wasn't a big supporter of him as I voted once again for the candidate I considered to be the lesser of the two evils offered us), he certainly hasn't had his hand in the cookie jar to which Slick referred.



Well, you have to understand the source. To Bill the term "cookie jar" has a completely different meaning. They didn't call him "slick" for no reason. And from several different reports, Bill had his "hand" in the "cookie jar" more than once. Back on topic, I think it's funny all of you republicans are butt-hurt today. You had the guy that could have taken a large part of Obama's voting block (the youth) away from him and united them with fiscal conservatives in the primaries. But, just like '08, you chose wrong. Instead, you nominated a guy that wanted to expand our military adventurism overseas and further blow up the deficite. Want someone to blame? Look in the mirror.
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dirt in ur beer
November 07, 2012 at 12:27:10 PM
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Posted By: lpjazz on November 07 2012 at 10:58:04 AM

That would explain your lack of understanding on the value of a union! It also explains why you back a republican...you want to be "the man" and take care of "the man" and the democrats and unions want to be treated fairly when they work for "the man"!



just curious lpjazz. Lets say u have some guy come to ur house to trim your trees ( this now makes u the man ) do you pay him the same union wages u make ? Im certain you would want him to be treated fairly since he is working for "the man".




nat48han1
November 07, 2012 at 12:28:03 PM
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Nick14. I don't believe that's the welfare everyone is talking about. It was designed with good intent. I'm all for that. Some people really need it. But I would venture to say that what these gentleman are talking about is the people on welfare who pass you on the road in a 2012 escalade on 24 inch wheels with their 5,000$ stereo system while pulling a brand new crotch rocket with all the latest and greatest and talking on a I phone. They have a 72 inch 3d tv and a new play station. Yet they need food stamps. That's abusing the system. Or the ones at the grocery who digs in her 900$ coach purse to pull out food stamp card. I bet that's the majority of our welfare system.

Nick14
November 07, 2012 at 12:42:51 PM
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Posted By: nat48han1 on November 07 2012 at 12:28:03 PM
Nick14. I don't believe that's the welfare everyone is talking about. It was designed with good intent. I'm all for that. Some people really need it. But I would venture to say that what these gentleman are talking about is the people on welfare who pass you on the road in a 2012 escalade on 24 inch wheels with their 5,000$ stereo system while pulling a brand new crotch rocket with all the latest and greatest and talking on a I phone. They have a 72 inch 3d tv and a new play station. Yet they need food stamps. That's abusing the system. Or the ones at the grocery who digs in her 900$ coach purse to pull out food stamp card. I bet that's the majority of our welfare system.


Oh I know that there are people that abuse the system such as the ones you have mentioned. I just think that people think that everyone abuses the system or people that are in bad conditions want to stay in the conditions just so that they do not want to work. I think the media has given most people the perception that 90% of the people on these programs abuse it when it is actually the exact opposite. My best friend is a social worker and deals with people on welfare all the time and he said that a majority of the people on it don't abuse it. He has also called the govenment on 2people that were on welfare and had other income coming in to buy a new car, cell phones, motorcyles,etc. Those two cases were shown all over the news here locally as soon as it was reported. That is what I am talking about perception today. Only bad news gets reported, we never here daily stories about a single mother raising her kids trying to give her kids a better life except if they make it in sports. As the old saying goes, a couple of bad eggs ruin it for the whole batch.



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November 07, 2012 at 12:50:35 PM
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This message was edited on November 07, 2012 at 12:54:10 PM by BIGFISH
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Posted By: lpjazz on November 07 2012 at 09:45:35 AM

In response to Mr. Mac, Obama won because he is a democrat and what he has done to straighten out what was screwed up by George W. Bush. How about pointing out the things Obama has done that are clear as day, saving the auto industry, killing bin laden, and starting to clean up the messs from George W. Did you happen to notice that the democratic party enlisted the help of former president Bill Clinton during the election, while the republican party never mentioned George W. Bush? Why is that? It does appear that they are disassociating themselves from the man they supported while he was in office. Let's also look at the fact that the republican party has shown they are against unions, the very group that has made working conditions fair for the American people. The democratic party is clearly for the working people while Romney and his entourage want to stuff their pockets by breaking up unions and sticking it to the middle and lower class folks. Finally, the republicans have also proven that they are not as supportive of public education as the democratic party. The dire straits that the education system is in right now is because of the republican run states in this country like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, etc...



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MissouriSprintFan
November 07, 2012 at 01:00:34 PM
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Posted By: Grove on November 07 2012 at 11:06:34 AM

THE only reason they were able to find Bin Laden is because of the interregation methods used during Bush aministration. Methods that Mr. O was so critical of!

Unions started out to be a great thing for the working stiff . . . . BUT then the corruption took over and they have priced the American worker out of the market . . . . Nafta and like policys moved the work out of state because they could no longer pay the wages the unions dictated.

 



Here's the Republican thought process on executives versus workers. This was on the Sean Hannity show. In a discussion over a company on the verge of bankruptcy, the other person (sorry i can't remember the other person) in the discussion was giving the CEO hell for his $43 million salary. Hannity asked why, it's the American way to try and make all you can make. Then, probably less than 2 minutes later, Hannity blamed the possible bankruptcy on the union, because the company was having to pay its union workers $65,000. I couldn't believe it. My thought was, $43 million? Really? How much does someone need? Surely this CEO could survive on, say, $10 million? If he would take a $33 million paycut, that would cover over 500 union workers at $65,000.

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I agree with Spot1 regarding the unions. Having been a part of that world for a majority of my life, I can say with absolute certainty that the UAW destroyed the automotive world here in the US with their insane labor deals. Frankly the automotive industry should have had to go through a proper bankruptcy and restructuring that supported the people who actually had a financial stake in the companies as opposed to being handed to the unions. UAW sucks ass!
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November 07, 2012 at 03:13:53 PM
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This message was edited on November 09, 2012 at 01:34:10 PM by cubicdollars

Simply put the Republican Party is just a loser party with loser candidates. Not that much unlike the World of Also Rans. I dumped my retirement into bonds a month ago because I was afraid that the dividends tax cuts expiring would tank the market. Now sit back, shut up and let the market tank to 10,500 you bunch of crybabies so I can jump back in and retire early. McPosse 22nd to 2nd. If Blaney would have stepped on it a hair more, it would have been 22nd to 1st. Nice run by Kraig Kinser in FOURTH.


 

 

 

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maddog53
November 07, 2012 at 03:17:27 PM
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My opinion on all this is just simple. Republicans AND Democrats bitch about how the Country has been run the last 4 years. The Republicans appointed Williard Romney to run against the incumbant, Barrack Obama. We had an election. The so called BEST for the job Republican, Romney, DID NOT WIN.......Republicans just need to shut up and deal with it. They gave it their BEST shot, and I guess it was NOT good enough.... We all just need to shut up and deal with it....The lesser of the 2 evils won......That does not say a lot for the direction this Country is going. JMO

Racer78
November 07, 2012 at 04:13:14 PM
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But since Obama won in PA he must be a good president. Right?? Or does that only apply for sprint car drivers?

egras
November 07, 2012 at 05:03:20 PM
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Posted By: maddog53 on November 07 2012 at 03:17:27 PM
My opinion on all this is just simple. Republicans AND Democrats bitch about how the Country has been run the last 4 years. The Republicans appointed Williard Romney to run against the incumbant, Barrack Obama. We had an election. The so called BEST for the job Republican, Romney, DID NOT WIN.......Republicans just need to shut up and deal with it. They gave it their BEST shot, and I guess it was NOT good enough.... We all just need to shut up and deal with it....The lesser of the 2 evils won......That does not say a lot for the direction this Country is going. JMO


Sounds correct except for one thing. The Republicans did not put their best candidate in the running. That would be Ron Paul (although some would not call him a Republican). He will not play by the rules of the "extremist", diehard Republicans, and therefore did not get to run for them. It will however, take someone like him to unseat the Democratic party once again. You have 4 years Republican party. Get your head out of the sand and realize who you need to get the votes from and relate to them rather than talk down to them. (I'm not talking about immigrants and those on Gov't programs either--I'm talking about the people that get up in the morning to go to work and take care of their families--on a less than wealthy income)




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lpjazz
November 07, 2012 at 06:01:37 PM
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Posted By: dirt in ur beer on November 07 2012 at 12:27:10 PM

just curious lpjazz. Lets say u have some guy come to ur house to trim your trees ( this now makes u the man ) do you pay him the same union wages u make ? Im certain you would want him to be treated fairly since he is working for "the man".



Hey dirt in ur beer, Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, but I was working for "the man" and did not have the opportunity to get back to you. You give an example of a private contractor, the tree trimmer. I am not the man in that case. I do not own the worker. When you are "the man" you are in the position of control over that worker and insisting on him perofmr in undesirable work conditions. That tree trimmer knows the "gig" and controls his own conditions more so than "working for the man. As far as taking care of people who perform work for me, they are paid what they are contracted for just like a union employee and the contract they form for the work they perform. I will say that I take care of the people that perform a service and do it well no matter who it is. I also am sure to take care of people who do not have a contract like a food server. If the service is good or even better, they are given at least a 20% tip to show my appreciation for a job well done. Now with this being said, there are also people that abuse the union privilege and I certainly do not agree with this part of the union. A union should be there for the employee to protect them from being taken advantage of and the injustices that occur.

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Posted By: egras on November 07 2012 at 05:03:20 PM

Sounds correct except for one thing. The Republicans did not put their best candidate in the running. That would be Ron Paul (although some would not call him a Republican). He will not play by the rules of the "extremist", diehard Republicans, and therefore did not get to run for them. It will however, take someone like him to unseat the Democratic party once again. You have 4 years Republican party. Get your head out of the sand and realize who you need to get the votes from and relate to them rather than talk down to them. (I'm not talking about immigrants and those on Gov't programs either--I'm talking about the people that get up in the morning to go to work and take care of their families--on a less than wealthy income)



Bottom line, is that the Republicans put someone up to face Obama...They lost.. Republicans just need to shut the hell up and suck it up,,,, and try again in 4 years...........


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Aren't you guys gonna get hammered come Jan. 1 with a tax increase? He's no friend of Canada or the oil pipeline so I was hoping for a different verdict. To all the tree huggers out there, be careful for what you ask for. If Vegas would take it, I would bet the farm on a Republican Victory come 2016, hope I'm still around to celebrate it with you.....



motorhead748
November 07, 2012 at 07:04:43 PM
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Im in a public employee union. It is a joke and a wasye of taxpayer money. Dont get me wrong, Everyone should thank the unions of yesteryear but they have far outlived their usefulness.





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