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The tracks may not realize it but they hold all the cards here. There's what 30-40 local 410 teams to every 1 outlaw team? The tracks need to unite and JUST SAY NO to a $40 per tire WOO tax and demand that a deal be worked out that gives ALL 410 teams the best price. If AR can make a decent tire for URC @ $159, lets go with that. The WOO would be irrelevant and cease to exist without tracks to race at and cars to fill the field. Who's gonna spend $30-$40 to see 10-12 cars even if they are the best in the world(which is highly debatable). The WOO is only digging their own grave if they shoose to screw over the 410 world on this tire deal. Contrary to what some might think, people that live in 410 hotbeds like Central PA, OH, Knoxville or NorCal couldn't give 2 shits about the WOO. We would be just fine without them .

I appreciate and respect Don Ott, and give him credit for making this a topic of discussion.

I would have more appreciation and respect if he would say, "OK, I understand the high cost of engines, to be competitive. THIS is what I would do to hold costs down, in the one area I know the most about."

Don Ott, or any engine builder, telling us how to save money on tires, would the same if Goodyear or Hoosier spoke out about how we could save money on engines.

If a top team gets free engine parts to run them, Doesnt that make a smaller team pay more for there parts to make up giving free stuff away. Its kinda like the tire deal.

The tracks may not realize it but they hold all the cards here. There's what 30-40 local 410 teams to every 1 outlaw team? The tracks need to unite and JUST SAY NO to a $40 per tire WOO tax and demand that a deal be worked out that gives ALL 410 teams the best price. If AR can make a decent tire for URC @ $159, lets go with that. The WOO would be irrelevant and cease to exist without tracks to race at and cars to fill the field. Who's gonna spend $30-$40 to see 10-12 cars even if they are the best in the world(which is highly debatable). The WOO is only digging their own grave if they shoose to screw over the 410 world on this tire deal. Contrary to what some might think, people that live in 410 hotbeds like Central PA, OH, Knoxville or NorCal couldn't give 2 shits about the WOO. We would be just fine without them .

I appreciate and respect Don Ott, and give him credit for making this a topic of discussion.

I would have more appreciation and respect if he would say, "OK, I understand the high cost of engines, to be competitive. THIS is what I would do to hold costs down, in the one area I know the most about."

Don Ott, or any engine builder, telling us how to save money on tires, would the same if Goodyear or Hoosier spoke out about how we could save money on engines.

Mr. Ott's motors are not mandated, therefore, we as car owners DO have a choice in whose motors we run, what extra little goodies we decide to have included that drive up the price of said motor. WE AS OWNERS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT CHOICE!

Mandated tires by the sanctioning bodies and then the local tracks (i.e. Williams Grove and all the other PA tracks feel that they need to follow suit) are NOT A CHOICE BEING MADE BY THE CAR OWNERS! Oh, yea, right, the choice we could make would be NOT TO RACE.

We choose to race locally, not "on tour". Do you understand that the huge amount of money being paid by the tire manufacturer to WoO and Allstars is being paid to their "top 5-10" teams as "tow money" or "contract fees". The local teams are NOT being paid any of that "point fund" money to show up at the track every week.

We know going in we are loosing money when we drive thru the gate but that is a choice we are making because we love to race and so do the people on our team and our sponsors. However, it is only a fair expectation that we have a fair and reasonable expectation to earn back part of that cost in purse money.

One of the biggest issues with the mandated tires is that the manufacturer is paying the tracks money into the "point fund" for being the track tire. However, that money is NOT going to the point fund and I do not care what any promoter/owner is telling you - it is NOT in the point fund. When a 10th place finish cannot pay $1,000 considering the amount of money being paid to the track by the tire manufacturer as "point fund"; then there really is no extra money going into the point fund.

People on message boards are complaining because car counts are low, teams don't take off work w/o pay or use vacation time to go to mid-week races is because with the cost of tires, travel and pit fees - it just can't be justified. Most especially for all those "regualar" teams. Those 5 that have "full time professional" drivers - different story.

It would be nice once in a while if someone who spouts off that they know it all, would take the time to actually talk to the "regular" car owners and find out just exactly what the cost in terms of time and money it takes to run a fairly budgeted successful local race team.

Is this the same Don Ott that voted to open up the 358 motor rules which, some say, ruined that class...?... :/

The tracks may not realize it but they hold all the cards here. There's what 30-40 local 410 teams to every 1 outlaw team? The tracks need to unite and JUST SAY NO to a $40 per tire WOO tax and demand that a deal be worked out that gives ALL 410 teams the best price. If AR can make a decent tire for URC @ $159, lets go with that. The WOO would be irrelevant and cease to exist without tracks to race at and cars to fill the field. Who's gonna spend $30-$40 to see 10-12 cars even if they are the best in the world(which is highly debatable). The WOO is only digging their own grave if they shoose to screw over the 410 world on this tire deal. Contrary to what some might think, people that live in 410 hotbeds like Central PA, OH, Knoxville or NorCal couldn't give 2 shits about the WOO. We would be just fine without them .

The tracks may not realize it but they hold all the cards here. There's what 30-40 local 410 teams to every 1 outlaw team? The tracks need to unite and JUST SAY NO to a $40 per tire WOO tax and demand that a deal be worked out that gives ALL 410 teams the best price. If AR can make a decent tire for URC @ $159, lets go with that. The WOO would be irrelevant and cease to exist without tracks to race at and cars to fill the field. Who's gonna spend $30-$40 to see 10-12 cars even if they are the best in the world(which is highly debatable). The WOO is only digging their own grave if they shoose to screw over the 410 world on this tire deal. Contrary to what some might think, people that live in 410 hotbeds like Central PA, OH, Knoxville or NorCal couldn't give 2 shits about the WOO. We would be just fine without them .

Weather you like it or not, the WOO is still the top sprint car racing organization because they have ALL the big dogs! I have no love for the World Racing Group but why is it that every WOO show is pretty much sold out? I live in IRA country and I have a lot of respect for them but I would much rather watch Kinser, Swindell, Joey, Craig, Donny than all the rest. I follow DRIVERS, not the organization.

Just my opinion but you better enjoy Steve and Sammy for as long as you can because once they leave, sprint car racing will never be the same!

ALL the big dogs? LOL You better get off the porch more. There are big dogs all over the country and many who are as good as most drivers with the WOO. They don't even have last years champion anymore. Believe me, they need the locals much more than the locals need them. If the WOO folded, theses guys would find somewhere to run, maybe become true outlaws. Look at the Knoxville National results. An outlaw driver may have won but it was hardly WOO domination. The outlaws have SOME of the best drivers and most of the biggest budget teams, nothing more, nothing less. You may follow big name drivers but a lot of us just like to see great 410 sprint racing every week and you definitely don't need the outlaws for that. I enjoy the WOO shows. It has an electricity of Us vs. Them in the air but if they went away it wouldn't be that big a deal. We have unsanctioned big races here in central PA with stacked fields and full stands.