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May 25, 2012 at
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Funny thing is more often than not those support classes, taxi cabs, shitboxes, or what ever you call them put on better racing than the premier premadonna winged division....
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May 25, 2012 at
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Hey d1rt, what races are you watching? You must be hammered!
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May 25, 2012 at
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Posted By: everhard on May 24 2012 at 08:38:47 PM
I do anything but watch the supporting taxis.
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You know up until this year i had the same close minded view of the other calsses also, then i talked with a very experienced sprint car racer as i was about to by my first car and "he said ya know son, when i was your age i wanted nothing more to drive a sprint car but didnt have the money so i started in a street stock and worked my way up, the thing about racing is no matter what, you are going to crash and tare stuff up as you learn and its a hell of alot cheaper to replace parts in lower classes until you get the experience you need to be in a sprint" he also said he had alot of fun in the lower class cars.....i got to thinking about and up until this point i had never set and watched a bomber race nor a street stock race now i have a car of my own and i watch them all. Whats the point of this story...RACING IS RACING, and beings your talking about WATCHING a race i take it you dont actually race, everyone has to start somewhere man so dont knock it til you try it. I fully get that the other races are not as exciting or as fast but there still getting after it. With that being said racing "taxis" as you call it beats the crap out of sitting in the stands.
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May 25, 2012 at
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KyleBates, Usac Fan, Zach 51,
Thank you for posting your opinions. I'm a true die-hard sprint car fan and I'm also involved in the sport in a couple different ways. But I also own and drive an IMCA Hobby Stock. I would much rather be racing a sprint car but that isn't something I can afford. True race fans appreciate that passion for racing that is exemplified by all of the racers in the pits. The door bangers might be "slow" but those guys are doing what they love. Sometimes sprint car people (a group of which I consider myself a member) make me feel like a bad person because I race a stock car. I just want to race and have some fun. That's all those guys in the support classes are trying to do. You don't have to enjoy the support classes, just don't rip those guys apart for doing what they love. Remember, the sprint car stars had to start somewhere too.
You might say that its all fine and good that those guys want to race, I just don't want to watch them during a sprint show. You also might accuse the promoters of using the support classes to make money. The promoters are using the support classes to make money because the promoters aren't running a charity. Good for them. I'm okay with a little capitalism at the race track.
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May 25, 2012 at
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It's obvious that most of the anti-racer types posting in this thread have never raced before. They don't know the rush one can get even driving a 'bomber', they are likely the same type of person that has never competed athletically to any degree either. They wouldn't know competition if it bit them in the rear end and generally sit brain dead in the stands or on the couch and watch a boring sprint car race and think because they were 'fast' it was a good show.
Even after hundreds and hundreds of sprint shows (over 500 W of O's) of every type you could imagine from coast to coast in a few different countries some of my better racing memories are that of 'bomber' type races. Having spoken to and done business with these guys they have as much pride in their $500 street stock as drivers have in their sprint cars and are as keen at what they do as the big timers in their sprint cars. Competition is competition no matter the level, take it for what it is and get off your high horse until you've done it yourself....
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May 25, 2012 at
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Hey I've got no beef with booking a couple support classes during a sprint show. I generally watch the support divisions main events but I have no interest in sitting through tons of caution filled heats and semi mains. Perris Speedway does it right. They book stock cars on seperate nights from their open wheel shows. 410 non wing, senior division 360 non wing and winged micro sprints. That's a normal open wheel show there. Tulare Thunderbowl does winged 410s with non wing 360s and usually 1 class of stock cars. That's perfect imo.
Cheers!
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May 25, 2012 at
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Posted By: D1RT on May 25 2012 at 10:38:59 AM
Funny thing is more often than not those support classes, taxi cabs, shitboxes, or what ever you call them put on better racing than the premier premadonna winged division....
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Tough subject with many valid views but I can tell anybody who cares to listen that I have been a fan of sprint cars since they were called 'big cars' and ran without cages. I have never understood the degrading descriptions of cars and drivers that ARE NOT sprint cars or sprint car drivers. The folks who drive hobby stockers or modifieds or late models are just as important and dedicated as the very best sprint car drivers in the world. They enjoy the thrill of power at their right foot and the excitement of testing their skill with a steering wheel in the hands as much as any sprint car driver. ALL people who drive racing cars deserve our appreciation of what they are accomplishing.
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May 25, 2012 at
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Posted By: MSPN on May 25 2012 at 11:44:40 AM
It's obvious that most of the anti-racer types posting in this thread have never raced before. They don't know the rush one can get even driving a 'bomber', they are likely the same type of person that has never competed athletically to any degree either. They wouldn't know competition if it bit them in the rear end and generally sit brain dead in the stands or on the couch and watch a boring sprint car race and think because they were 'fast' it was a good show.
Even after hundreds and hundreds of sprint shows (over 500 W of O's) of every type you could imagine from coast to coast in a few different countries some of my better racing memories are that of 'bomber' type races. Having spoken to and done business with these guys they have as much pride in their $500 street stock as drivers have in their sprint cars and are as keen at what they do as the big timers in their sprint cars. Competition is competition no matter the level, take it for what it is and get off your high horse until you've done it yourself....
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I don't believe the original poster asked if we would drive a "bomber" if given the chance. That's a simple hell yes! I would race a bumper car or a rascal mobility scooter if that was an option too. Haha. I just love the style of open wheel racing especially non wing which rarely ever has a boring race.
Cheers!
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May 25, 2012 at
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One thing I've noticed for myself is the other classes are alot more enjoyable if you start to get to know who the drivers are. Any race can be boring if you don't know who anyone is so your just watching a bunch of different colored cars run around a circle. But once I started learning who different drivers were its actually kind of exciting to get to see those guys race in front of a packed house for a WoO or All-star show. It also needs to be mentioned that you need more than one class for any race show to fill the time between heats, dashes and mains so the guys have some time to work on their cars. Its rare that they pull up to the trailer after the heat and are ready to go into the main or dash, they are tweeking and sometimes changing big items. You wouldn't be happy if the track had an hour and a half intermission between the heats and dash either because there was no filler class.
The racers in these other classes are the reason that most tracks can keep its doors open, if it wasn't for them the sprint cars wouldn't have many places to race. I know theres a few places like knoxville that can support full sprint car shows but those tracks are the exception, not the rule.
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May 25, 2012 at
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If I'm @ Hagerstown, I take the dog for a walk during the support division races... 
Opinions may vary...
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May 25, 2012 at
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May 25, 2012 at
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Of course we love our sprints but the support classes at times put on a great show . And also atleast they are racing what are we doing . More power to all of the compettitors and teams that make this possible and keep our tracks afloat .
We need more sprint car racing at our home track.
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May 25, 2012 at
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May 25, 2012 at
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Posted By: rachasin on May 25 2012 at 09:09:20 AM
Some of you must have started watching races at Kville with sprints only.
Spoiled dam kids anyway.
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Bob you must know that someone like myself who spent a big part of his life at Ascot and Manzy, sprints and Midgets was the show and the only show! Manzy ran the door bangers on Friday's, and both a Sprint and Midget show on Saturday for many years...I've not only been spoiled, I refer to myself as a Sprint car snob.
See you at Yuma?
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May 25, 2012 at
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Support classes are deserving of a lot more respect. They pay to race and help fill the stands and the pits. They give other classes time to work on their cars between races. I find them quite entertaining. We need to stop badmouthing them and support them. Think people.... think!
I tell it like I see it.
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May 25, 2012 at
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Posted By: MSPN on May 25 2012 at 11:44:40 AM
It's obvious that most of the anti-racer types posting in this thread have never raced before. They don't know the rush one can get even driving a 'bomber', they are likely the same type of person that has never competed athletically to any degree either. They wouldn't know competition if it bit them in the rear end and generally sit brain dead in the stands or on the couch and watch a boring sprint car race and think because they were 'fast' it was a good show.
Even after hundreds and hundreds of sprint shows (over 500 W of O's) of every type you could imagine from coast to coast in a few different countries some of my better racing memories are that of 'bomber' type races. Having spoken to and done business with these guys they have as much pride in their $500 street stock as drivers have in their sprint cars and are as keen at what they do as the big timers in their sprint cars. Competition is competition no matter the level, take it for what it is and get off your high horse until you've done it yourself....
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Quite possibly the best...most sincere post ever from MSPN in the history of Hoseheads. "clapping"
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Posted By: ILSPRINTS on May 25 2012 at 09:36:48 PM
Support classes are deserving of a lot more respect. They pay to race and help fill the stands and the pits. They give other classes time to work on their cars between races. I find them quite entertaining. We need to stop badmouthing them and support them. Think people.... think!
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Of course I realize they keep the doors open, and yes I enjoy our mini sprints (with the wings off LOL ) and even the other classes too at times, but you'll never get me to admit that, or God forbid post that on a open forum. Yes, at times they can be just fun to watch... I think at one time or the other every cousin of mine raced at least quarter Midgets or something, and anyone who's been around racing and has paid attention knows it's a true family sport. The roots in grassroots racing is the family, and you'll find the other in turn one. The problem is when there are to dog gone many classes before THE show.
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Posted By: MSPN on May 25 2012 at 11:44:40 AM
It's obvious that most of the anti-racer types posting in this thread have never raced before. They don't know the rush one can get even driving a 'bomber', they are likely the same type of person that has never competed athletically to any degree either. They wouldn't know competition if it bit them in the rear end and generally sit brain dead in the stands or on the couch and watch a boring sprint car race and think because they were 'fast' it was a good show.
Even after hundreds and hundreds of sprint shows (over 500 W of O's) of every type you could imagine from coast to coast in a few different countries some of my better racing memories are that of 'bomber' type races. Having spoken to and done business with these guys they have as much pride in their $500 street stock as drivers have in their sprint cars and are as keen at what they do as the big timers in their sprint cars. Competition is competition no matter the level, take it for what it is and get off your high horse until you've done it yourself....
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Done it myself! Owned & drove a street stock. Worked on a Late Model, & Modified. Nobody at the street stock races but friends & family of those in the pits. Thats the way I expected it to be. I would have NEVER expected to race on the same card as Sprints and sure as heck would never have expected fans who paid for a sprint car show to want to sit through our races. Yes, some of you say "racing is racing, I'll watch anything on 4 wheels". But we are not all that way. Just because I like chocolate ice cream does not mean I like every flavor Baskin Robbins has! Do not remember you selling any "Bomber class" photos?
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To oswald
So in your mind since you like chocolate that's all Baskin Robbins should serve?
Unbelievable- I love and live for sprint cars, and watch all those 'undesirables' because to me I like to see passing and real racing. Drove a minisprint for a lot of years because I couldn't run a sprint car on a teacher's budget. My son raced a 10 year old quarter midget because I couldn't afford to run the newest chassis, and engine, and new tires for every time the car touched the track, he never won once we moved out of rookie class- but had just as much fun as the kid who never lost. I try to teach my students to show respect and tolerance for other people's passion- A lot of you on this forum wouldn't do well in my class. : )
The last line of the National Anthem should be "Let's go Rac'n"
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I never said only make the flavor I like. As a teacher your reading comprehension is not very good. I never said do away with classes of racers I do not like. I was saying Baskin Robbins makes 31 flavors because not everyone likes the same thing. And not all race fans like street stocks and mods. All I meant was to each his own. Run the street stock, b mods, etc with the other stock car stuff. Heck, the 305 purses are not much bigger than some modified purses. Run them as a support class. What is the problem if I buy a ticket and do not sit and watch the bomber races? Thought this was a free country? Thought a ticket entitled me to watch or not watch the races as I chose. I respect the fender drivers, I just do not enjoy watching them. I've been to races where sprints and late models were run the same night and watched a lot of late model fans leave after their feature was over and not stay to watch the sprint car A main. No big deal to me. Watch what you like and don't watch stuff you don't like.
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Posted By: henry chinaski on May 25 2012 at 11:51:33 AM
I don't believe the original poster asked if we would drive a "bomber" if given the chance. That's a simple hell yes! I would race a bumper car or a rascal mobility scooter if that was an option too. Haha. I just love the style of open wheel racing especially non wing which rarely ever has a boring race.
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Aren't those "Rascals" wingless open wheeled?....
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May 27, 2012 at
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This message was edited on
May 27, 2012 at
08:32:04 AM by Backspacer
My only complaint with support classes is when tracks run them ahead of the premier division in the order of events for the evening. If the people that came to watch just the sprints didn't have to sit through all of the A-mains for the support divisions, they would complain a lot less about them.
That being said, I usually use the time during support series races to get my phone out and catch up on the internet and twitter to read updates from other series and drivers from around the country.
"They'll learn."
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