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March 22, 2011 at
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Posted By: mopjockey on February 23 2011 at 05:12:04 PM
Howdy!
Dunno anything about the car pictured, but it is not the same as the Nance car I saw...the car I saw was much more current, with the rollcage constructed w/ longitudinal runners incorporated into the frame rails, tied together with short transverse pieces, rather than two hoops tied together...I can't remember if it was a downtube car, though...
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We must have seen the same car. When I saw it, it was non-downtube. I have no idea how long the car lasted, but the only downtubes in 1987 were Gamblers. Nance was hesitant to go to a downtube design until later. I have 2 1987 Nance sprint car frames outside of my bedroom window as we speak, and when I saw the aluminum car , it looked the same to me in layout. He may have braced it a bit more due to flex??
Never was an expert on welds though.
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Posted By: brian26 on March 22 2011 at 02:13:27 AM
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I would like to point out though
THIS MY FRIENDS IS THE LEGENDARY ALUMINUM NANCE SPRINTER. This is THE car that started all those murky rumors you heard in the boondocks back in the late 70's and early 80's.
I have a quirky story of my first hearing on this issue I'll tell sometime, but it might confuse right now.
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March 22, 2011 at
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Posted By: Team "W" Motorsports on February 22 2011 at 10:50:07 AM
I shot this at the 1976 Western World at Manzy.
I believe this is one of the Nance aluminum frames. To the best of my memory, it was driven by one of the Linder's, I'm thinkin' Jim.
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So now I have to ask-I will now be looking in the videos (unposted) to see if it pops up since I now know a little more about it.
Was it always #55? When Shane drove it too?
I'd call Shane, but it's 2:40 am at this moment! LOL
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Posted By: brian26 on March 22 2011 at 01:59:31 AM
I can only vouch for one of these cars you guys are talking about- JD Porter will back me up on this
In 1987 JD Porter took me by the Nance shop when the Wichita NCRA show was rained out. I know it was 1987- infield accident at Hutch the next day, I was on the infield and at Hutch for my first time. I can tell more, but trust me - it WAS 1987.
I only went by the Nance shop one time ever- it was 1987
Laverne was in back and a bit bothered with me for taking pictures without permission. Carol was at the counter doing business.
Anyways JD and his parents, Laverne, and myself were looking at a complete roller awaiting the fresh Gearte on the floor next to it. The frame was red, the hood was off (but mymemory says it was red too). It was just another Nance sprinter to me UNTIL I WAS TOLD BY LAVERNE IT WAS "ALL ALUMINUM"! I leaned over and with ONE HAND grabbed the front bumper and picked the front of car off the ground! I WILL NOT FORGET THAT.
ABOUT TITANIUM AND NANCE IN 1987-
An actual paying customer was sitting with Laverne later in the shop and they were handling a 10-10 coupler. Laverne said it was titanium. I had known titanium bicycle frames were being sold already and was surprised titanium was now being used a little at Nance.
I asked if i could see the coupler, and since I hadn't asked permission, and he did not know what rock I had come from, or whom, Laverne just said "No".
I'm not always right about things, and get my stuff jumbled (enough to scare me)
But the car I saw at Nance in 1987 WAS ALUMINUM.
So many things happened to me that year, but traveling with the Porters from Lawton was a highlight of my life. The girlfriend I had in 1987, I am married to today. The car JD bought in 1987, I have it covered in Edmunds shaped skin today.
1987 was the last year of the Champ Dirt Car/Supermodified 100" car. Also the last year to have the infield pits at Hutch. Shane outrun Bob at Dallas in October.
It was 1987
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you are close on all those memories !!!!!
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March 22, 2011 at
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I can't 100% be sure on the color of the body on that aluminum car in '87 ( I skipped a college math test final for that weekend, when I didn't study-summer school , Cameron University - beginning my sophmore year)
I had seen white 1N Nance sprinters. But this car comes back in my mind as red.
But the rest, either I know for a fact, or I need to get a specialist to check me out. The "whole aluminum race car" has been popping on and off of my radar since the late 70's. I'm ready to get the story straight.
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Maybe Mike Evans will chime in? I believe the Ti car came from NW Kansas and was probably the car that Jon drove. Everybody knows this owner in NW Kansas but I'm drawing a blank on his name.
I'm at work now, but I still have the photos Mike sent me in the early days of this site when Mike was starting to advertise it.
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Ok Brian. Are you thinking there was the Linder / Carson alum car in 1976, an alum car in 1987, AND a titanium car later or at the same time?
I too am interested in this history and getting it as correct as we can.
We may never get it done.
I did not want to bring it up in my earlier post, but all these years, since I saw the alum frame in Feb 79 I would have sworn that there were 2 alum frames leaning against that east wall. I have asked Shane about the possibility of there being 2 built and he could not confirm that only 1 was built. He was understandably not too concerned about car production at the time. He was thinking race race race!
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Posted By: yardfun on March 23 2011 at 12:56:44 AM
Ok Brian. Are you thinking there was the Linder / Carson alum car in 1976, an alum car in 1987, AND a titanium car later or at the same time?
I too am interested in this history and getting it as correct as we can.
We may never get it done.
I did not want to bring it up in my earlier post, but all these years, since I saw the alum frame in Feb 79 I would have sworn that there were 2 alum frames leaning against that east wall. I have asked Shane about the possibility of there being 2 built and he could not confirm that only 1 was built. He was understandably not too concerned about car production at the time. He was thinking race race race!
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yes- 1976, 1987 , and apparently the titanium frame later. I only saw the 87 model firsthand.
I cannot confirm as to where there were 1 or 2 built on the earlier version.
Why not ask Bones? I can get his number if you need it. Perry Tripp might still have it.
Now, with that being said--For years there was an aluminum frame ( space frame, cage cut off)- that made the swap meet rounds down here. In the pile of parts with the frame came an Edmunds top, a Walker style aluminum tank, and a midget hood/nose combo- all fiberglass was in white gelcoat, and the frame I saw was never painted. I wonder if anyone ever tried to build an aluminum super in north Texas? To me , it looked like it never ran, and was used for spare aluminum tubing pieces when a cutoff was needed. The seller never said it was from Nance--but he DID speak of an outlawed aluminum framed car.
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Posted By: brian26 on March 22 2011 at 02:13:27 AM
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i think you ment to say fred linder!!!!! fred drove for nance .
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Posted By: yardfun on March 23 2011 at 12:56:44 AM
Ok Brian. Are you thinking there was the Linder / Carson alum car in 1976, an alum car in 1987, AND a titanium car later or at the same time?
I too am interested in this history and getting it as correct as we can.
We may never get it done.
I did not want to bring it up in my earlier post, but all these years, since I saw the alum frame in Feb 79 I would have sworn that there were 2 alum frames leaning against that east wall. I have asked Shane about the possibility of there being 2 built and he could not confirm that only 1 was built. He was understandably not too concerned about car production at the time. He was thinking race race race!
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Yardfun & Brian 26 in August of 1977 my son and I stop at the Nance Speed Shop to look at a modified kit car. Laverne even took us over to the little shop/garage at his home where they had the orange 6 cylinder car, I believe Shane Carson was driving at the time. During the discussions it was mentioned that I worked as a Piping Design Draftsman for a major engineering firm in Houston, so Laverne said he had something to show me when we got back to the store. He took me to a back room where they had this Aluminum sprint car chassis. He had me to lift each end of the chassis and was it light????????? With a big smile on his face we talked about the stress analysis systems that we where using in the refineries and chemical plants at that time and how they might apply to this project. The way he talked to me, he figured this was near the end of the run for the Aluminum chassis, do to stress cracking and the notices of outlawing of this car, already. Now he or someone else may have talked him into trying it again ten years later as technology and techniques advanced.
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Posted By: yardfun on March 23 2011 at 12:56:44 AM
Ok Brian. Are you thinking there was the Linder / Carson alum car in 1976, an alum car in 1987, AND a titanium car later or at the same time?
I too am interested in this history and getting it as correct as we can.
We may never get it done.
I did not want to bring it up in my earlier post, but all these years, since I saw the alum frame in Feb 79 I would have sworn that there were 2 alum frames leaning against that east wall. I have asked Shane about the possibility of there being 2 built and he could not confirm that only 1 was built. He was understandably not too concerned about car production at the time. He was thinking race race race!
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There is a Alum frame in Newton, Ks that came from Nance's Auction, I have seen it twice.
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Posted By: welder on March 23 2011 at 10:37:22 AM
There is a Alum frame in Newton, Ks that came from Nance's Auction, I have seen it twice.
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there were 2 aluminum and i titanium frames built by nance . in later years all his sprints had white body parts. shane has the older alum,i think the newer one is in newton kansas..the titanium is in wichita is mostly a roller,the owner had in tention of restoration for display at knoxville..... after all these years my memory has been foggy some but i think i am close on this .
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Posted By: Racing From The Past on February 21 2011 at 08:29:31 AM
There was also a Titanium frame that Mike Evans down in Texas just sold in this decade to some one in Wichita if I remember right. Now the question is was there titanium and aluminum or was it one and the same. I probably still have the flier that Mike sent me on a floppy (yes floppy) around here with photos. We ran it on the site back in the early days of the site.
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the chassis was all titanium and weighed 83 lbs. I sent completly thru the car polished , powder coated etc. there were only 4 steel bolts in the car the rest were titanium . The car was complete and ready for an engine, I offered the car to tyhe nance family to go to Knoxville after Laverns death if some one furnish a aluminun engine for display purposes. No one responded to my offer so I became disgusted and sold the car to a gentelman from Wichita . He has since found the engine that was in the car and I believe the project has stalled . Mrs Nance has the black car and has been offered to have it restored at no cost to her or the family b ut she declined the offer .
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Posted By: Racing From The Past on March 22 2011 at 09:27:05 PM
Maybe Mike Evans will chime in? I believe the Ti car came from NW Kansas and was probably the car that Jon drove. Everybody knows this owner in NW Kansas but I'm drawing a blank on his name.
I'm at work now, but I still have the photos Mike sent me in the early days of this site when Mike was starting to advertise it.
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I purchased the car from Duane Roush Colby Ks. Duane and Lavern worked for Haldibrand in Wellington before it's demise Duane now lives in Hollister Mo.
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Posted By: yardfun on March 23 2011 at 12:56:44 AM
Ok Brian. Are you thinking there was the Linder / Carson alum car in 1976, an alum car in 1987, AND a titanium car later or at the same time?
I too am interested in this history and getting it as correct as we can.
We may never get it done.
I did not want to bring it up in my earlier post, but all these years, since I saw the alum frame in Feb 79 I would have sworn that there were 2 alum frames leaning against that east wall. I have asked Shane about the possibility of there being 2 built and he could not confirm that only 1 was built. He was understandably not too concerned about car production at the time. He was thinking race race race!
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No confirmation here, but let's use a little reasoning as to why there could/would be two aluminum frames there in 1979.
1. Since everything was tooled up for an aluminum frame to begin with, why not build a spare? In case the primary frame was wrecked, the spare frame could jump in the picture ready to go.
2. Shane told me and you guys here, and there, that the rear torsion bar tubes had a problem staying welded in. Slowroller says Laverne was talking about stress cracks, and I remember Laverne talking about stress cracks too. Since Nance was in the aircraft capital of the world, it only makes logic that someone would have already been able to make it an issue about stresscracks long before the tig touched the tubing.
3. Promotion-
Laverne Nance was agressive at promoting the Nance brand , so much so that he even helped out a certain Mitchell chassis. The point was to get people talking about Nance to begin with.
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Posted By: jalopy 93 on April 05 2011 at 08:59:36 PM
the chassis was all titanium and weighed 83 lbs. I sent completly thru the car polished , powder coated etc. there were only 4 steel bolts in the car the rest were titanium . The car was complete and ready for an engine, I offered the car to tyhe nance family to go to Knoxville after Laverns death if some one furnish a aluminun engine for display purposes. No one responded to my offer so I became disgusted and sold the car to a gentelman from Wichita . He has since found the engine that was in the car and I believe the project has stalled . Mrs Nance has the black car and has been offered to have it restored at no cost to her or the family b ut she declined the offer .
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"Mrs Nance has the black car and has been offered to have it restored at no cost to her or the family but she declined the offer ."
I had commented that she had the car sometime ago. I deleted the post cause I didn't think she needed the attention. There are some people out there, should we say that are not all that honest.
I have heard stories like this from all over the country since I started this website and I just don't get it . I know somethings have a story behind it.
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Continued from above
I am assuming the first aluminum frame car was for 1977. That would mean the promotional effort could require 2 frames, running under the single identity of the "Aluminum Framed Car".
Since the car was outlawed fairly early it seems, that could mean the spare frame was never run.
Many of us have the mindset that "If there is a frame, then that means there is a cars history with it somewhere". Not always true it seems in the Chassis Sales War. Maxwell had a great reputation at the time in 1977, Trostle was on top, and even Floyd Trevis still had a good hand in building chassis. Grant King still held court, MacElreaths were building winning cars , etc.
You had to be aggressive, determined, half crazy, and wily as a fox to compete with those guys when they were on top.
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Posted By: Racing From The Past on April 05 2011 at 09:56:17 PM
"Mrs Nance has the black car and has been offered to have it restored at no cost to her or the family but she declined the offer ."
I had commented that she had the car sometime ago. I deleted the post cause I didn't think she needed the attention. There are some people out there, should we say that are not all that honest.
I have heard stories like this from all over the country since I started this website and I just don't get it . I know somethings have a story behind it.
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Yes it would be too easy to lose a car like that, with some of the people out there. Eyes and ears are everywhere today though, with the internet, like never before. For the dishonest players in this deal, the rope is getting shorter everyday! Yup- If they don't believe it, "they heads up they a%#"! Screw somebody in this old race car thing, WE TALK! Yes Maynerd, we do talk!
That is the biggest thing that keeps me honest on the film thing, too many eyes/ears/computers out there if I were to sell anything that wasn't mine.
Crazy part is, I actually do better being honest! Yeah I really do! Long term especially. I have just moved into a shop, on a family place, for life, (oh yeah there's a house too). That does not include all the nearly free stuff I've gotten from people that want to see the vintage supers roll! I am now obligated to have fun and drive a super a few times a year now! .........................Okay........cool!
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warren This was a very legimate offer to restore the car and take it to Knoxville , a complete proposole was given to mrs Nance . You know the people involved . e mail me off line and I will clear it up , [email protected]
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Posted By: jalopy 93 on April 06 2011 at 05:55:41 AM
warren This was a very legimate offer to restore the car and take it to Knoxville , a complete proposole was given to mrs Nance . You know the people involved . e mail me off line and I will clear it up , [email protected]
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Mike, what is the story on you selection of forum handle Jalopy 93??
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