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April 09, 2007 at
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Claimer rule all the way. $750. plus exchange motors, max 3 claims per season per car, and have to race those motors the following week.
That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.
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April 09, 2007 at
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They could still put there name on the car, it just wouldn't be there motor. I'm looking for ways to even the classes out and bring down the cost. Hell, I wouldn't mind running 9.5-1 motors with 2 barrels. That would cut the cost of fuel BIG TIME. Run asphalt take-offs and get rid of the mini clutch's. The motor claim would be alright, but it would have to be atleast $750 to rebuild the other motor.
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April 09, 2007 at
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How would you know its the same motor?
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April 09, 2007 at
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Engine Claimer Rule -$750 plus exchange motors,
plus only 4 claims per season per car,
One claim per week
No back to back claims, must wait two races nights in that class between claims
refusal equals 4 wks race suspension, 100 point penlty, and forfit of balance of claims for car and driver.
That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.
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April 09, 2007 at
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Use JBWeld. Put a dab between heads and short block. With a stamp.
That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.
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April 09, 2007 at
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Put their name on the car????? What happens if your engine builder saves you money and it only costs 1500.00 to build that 2500.00 crate motor? If they don't build it I hardly think that they would want their name on the car. I totally agree with dirtrack29&28
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April 09, 2007 at
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crate motors can and have been torn down to check the spec's . the motor builders don't want to be labeled as a cheat builder and have it spread all over ther racing comunity. that is my opion, may smell like onions or garlic, but it is mine
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April 09, 2007 at
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Posted By: dirtrack29&28 on April 09 2007 at 06:12:39 PM
Engine Claimer Rule -$750 plus exchange motors,
plus only 4 claims per season per car,
One claim per week
No back to back claims, must wait two races nights in that class between claims
refusal equals 4 wks race suspension, 100 point penlty, and forfit of balance of claims for car and driver.
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1 st refusal 4 weeks suspension.seconds refusal suspension for 1 YEAR FROM DATE PLUS $1000.00 FINE. DRIVER OR CAR CANNOT RETURN UNTIL SAID FINE IS PAID.
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April 09, 2007 at
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Posted By: champsprint50 on April 09 2007 at 02:55:21 PM
How many people running Factory Stock can afford 2500.00 to 3500.00 for a crate motor. If you have a problem or blow it up you have to take it back to the same guy that built the crate motor. Right now you have approx. 20 Factory Stocks every Friday night but if you would have to have a crate motor I think it would knock your field in half. The thing that needs to be done is to make the field more even without spending a bunch of money and the cars will come back. With the price of gas and race parts you cannot be spending more money. Factory Stocks are supposed to be an entry level racing car. If you have crate motors you still have to have somebody police them and make sure nobody is breaking that seal. Once again I say go to a CLAIM
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From what I know $2500-$3500 is still a LOT less than what a winning "factory stock" motor costs.
Bobby Springer #25
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April 10, 2007 at
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Posted By: pjluhm on April 09 2007 at 08:48:28 AM
i dont think a crate motor is necessary we just need to have strickter inspections. these guys winning week in and week out. how much are they really checking. popping the the hood and say looks good to me. not enless they win three a features. now there needs to be some changes but i dont know if crate motors is the way to go. besides if we go to crate motors lanny will just find some way to benefit him and put money in his pocket.
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good point. Had there been inspections last year this stupid engine rule in the sprints would be a mute point...........penalties would have been assessed and the rest that had those motors would be thinkin twice about runnin em the next week. Thats where I say that drivers who want to cheat are in more control of whether or not they get away with than Lanny is. I mean..........they directly went against the rulebook........and in the end there were no consequences. JMO
How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a
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April 10, 2007 at
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Posted By: David Smith Jr on April 09 2007 at 02:43:41 PM
I should have specified that I am not just talking SFS but all tracks in the state of Oklahoma and get al on the same rules. This would cut out all the classes of cars that are at each track in some sort of fashion as below:
Factory stocks, pro stocks, street stocks, hobby stocks, pure stocks, thumpers.
You have all of those divisons of cars where you could easily condense all those divisions into one with either a crate motor or a spec head. Again, this isn't just limited to SFS but all tracks around the state. It can be like the modifieds where you just load up and go race and fans don't have to wonder how this class is different than what they see at their home track.
If you want a starter (per say) class then run mini stocks. Some people like them and some people use that time to go take care of business but it does seem like it is a good starter class or division for those who don't have the money but wanna race.
Just random thoughts on this end and rather a topic starter.
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I agree with that, but I would never want to see mini-stocks at SFS. Not that I have that important of an opinion............but seriously I don't think hardly anyone wants to see them there. I can only imagine how slow they would look from the grandstand.
If our race track can't pull it's stuff together to avoid that happening............then there are critical problems. I think all that most of us can hope for at the moment is for Lanny to have an interest in running this track for a long time. If he does than he will make the necassary changes to the rulebooks or whatever else. Hopefully even start enforcing the rulebooks. The fact that he checks more on the cars at Lawton than OKC is not a good sign. The classes are starting to dwindle here (aside from the Super Sprints and USA Mods)............hopefully he'll get a handle on it before it becomes really bad.
I think SFS in one of the nicest tracks/facilities around. I hope the racing program there will always reflect that.
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Why doesn't the ORA step in and make the rules for Oklahoma? Then all tracks would benefit.
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April 10, 2007 at
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Cause they (ORA) don't have any teeth in thier bite.
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April 10, 2007 at
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put a restrictor plate on the engine, furnished by the track each nite, then it does not matter how much money or who the engine builder is
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April 10, 2007 at
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Just a little infromation about mini stocks sience there was a comment made about them. There are some mini stock drivers putting 10 to 15k in their cars. A good head can cost 1500 to 3000. They can go faster than a lot of modified. Thats why they are also a dying breed. Also about the ORA, everybody thinks that driver tell them that they want something that all the ORA has to do is go demand to Lanny to do it and it will be done and every track around here will follow. The ORA fuction is to get the drivers and owners together and present the ideas to the track , also if it wasn't for the ORA, there would not be much of a bounus at the end of the year, there are a lot of people the works real hard that a lot of fans and drivers don't know about. (I am not one of them)_ thanks for letting me get this off my chest, happy racing this year!!!!!!!!!!
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April 10, 2007 at
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im not a racer and i am not on here to shoot anyone down but how about this idea. Rules and specs are made to be followed and if they are followed correctly wouldnt all the cars run closer and wouldnt people limit themselves to a budget. It seems like everyone is pointing a finger at lanny or the track or the ora or somone else. Its none of their faults. Drivers make thier own decision on what they race and how they do it. so until everyone stops cheating snd starts following the rules set weather they are enforced or not the racing industry is just going to spiral down until only the rich boys can play. A motor builder is not to blame. A driver tells him what to build and he does it. Its money to him. If lanny wont enforce the rules then the drivers and owners should take this problem by the hand and change it. If you want racing to live on you have to do something about it. If there are no drivers then there is no race. If you want to protest i will be right there with you. I love racing and I dont think any driver should cheat or be cheated on. But with that said i hope i didnt offend anyone and i will be there to push all you guys and keep racing going as much as i can. I will see all you wonderful people at the track and have a good week. See ya
Dont get mad at me, im just the pushtruck guy.
www.myspace.com/pushtruckguy
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April 10, 2007 at
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I agree with Matt, but some people see how much faster they are while cheating, and end up not being able to quit. Some people will do anything to win. What's funny to me is how you hear how good of a driver he/she is, but it's not even them, it's the cheating.
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April 10, 2007 at
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i guess i just dont want to win that much. thats why i drive a pushtruck. hahaha. slowest thing on the track besides lannys golf cart
Dont get mad at me, im just the pushtruck guy.
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April 11, 2007 at
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April 11, 2007 at
12:12:47 AM by cheese21
It's not like people that don't cheat don't want to win. It's that they want ability and mechanical prowess to be the reason they win. Also, most cheating parts have been made illegal for 2 main reasons. Money and health. Rules made because of money are motor parts. With our spec heads you aren't supposed to work the heads anywhere (except for the new rule). That is so we can save money. A good example of a rule for health is fuel. When someone walks behind a car and almost faints, then that car has something illegal in it. Nitro can cause bad fires (and grenade motors), and all of the other stuff is proven to cause cancer. I'm sure I'll get some comments on that one, but it's ok. I know someone that's won 7 championships and has never knowingly cheated.
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April 11, 2007 at
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I have always thought if you had to cheat it is not worth it. How ever if driver A starts putting something in his car to make it go faster than driver B has to put something in his to stay up with driver A and so on, that exactly what has happen to the factory stocks and so on. That why I am getting out of the mini stock. It would be nice to have a pure stock or bomber class that was strictly stock and maybe some step up classes after that. This may sound like I am trying to butter some people up but the Jennings are one group of drivers that uses skill to win races and stay on top instead of cheating and there are a lot of others. And Matt, we that you foor your time and use of your Jeep to help us out
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