Forum: Minnesota Dirt Track Racing Forum (go)
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Before you two get yourselves all worked up,,, Both UMSS and IMCA run the 1 7/8" restrictors,,, So a UMSS car should already have them with nothing to buy if they have been running legal,,, and Mize,,, I would sure hope that in some cases the Temporary Permit would not be forgotten about,,, we had to pay our license so I would hope that everyone else does also.... As far as the manual wing slider,,, I guess if I can't afford the $60.00 for the wing slider, why am I trying to run a sprint car??? You can also build you own with just a little bit of work,,, we have...

Basically, from what I have seen with both groups, they are pretty much interchangeable, I don't know of any of the UMSS guys that would not purchase two rear tires if that what was all that was keeping them away from a show that they wanted to hit...

Just my opinion,,,,, and we all know what that's worth!!! LOL

Brian

Why dont we just go to ASCS and forget everything else?

That stupidity was already tried here. $3,500 Spec Heads, great way to control costs!

I understand what your saying about the wing sliders, but if you wanted to race and didn't want the expense, you could still race, you would just have to look at the track better and plan ahead.

You can go to any muffler shop and have the restrictors made there, sure you can always go out and have some made that cost 350.00, but what good would it do when the 50.00 ones will work just as good.

I'm not trying to start a pissing match with you, I just know what I'm talking about.

Lic fee 135.00, aleast 2 rear tires 330.00 and you get whatever stagger you end up with, plus I heard there is a $50.00 entry fee for the Jackpot Junction races, don't know if that is true or not. But either way you look at it, both series have to give alittle to unite.

The bottom line here is, if IMCA doesn't get aleast 15 cars that night, I'm not sure the owners at Elko are going to be happy and I know the fans wouldn't be.

Enough said on this subject

I just hope it all turns out good in the end.

Jason Tostenson has a current imca license, and would entertain driving @ Elko or other 360/410 races. I have a set of 8-1-7/8 i.d.,2-3/16 o.d. with adaptors to 2-7/16 will sell for $125.

The pit prices might scare some people off.

Mize I am not trying to get into a pissing match with you either but your posts are all pro UMSS you seem to want IMCA to use the UMSS rules, and you seem to really want to convince the ELCO people that the car count will be way down, it all seems negative to me. Let me say I am not for or against IMCA or UMSS I am for sprint car racing of any kind.

Planing ahead is great but the wing slider was invented because tracks change during the race, so if your association uses them, fine if a different association does not then we have to abide by their rules.

As far as restrictors go lets take a survey of the top ten cars in any association (you pick it) and see how many of them have exhaust tubing jammed down their intake stacks.

I also hope it turns out well I am thinking 20 to 25 cars.

Brian go back and read the post (if an outsider comes in) . the point I was making is that any time you race with another association you have to adjust to their rules, but you have been around plenty long enough to know that.

I still think the easiest one to go run with for an outsider was the old MSS. that Chuck had, and he is right again on the price of pit-passes it may scare some people off. I have always wondered why the people who bring the cars and put on the show also have to pay some of the purse.

Bring back the MSS.

ddca4, I do the teching with the UMSS and if my old memory is correct, I think more then half the cars that run UMSS have exhaust tubing stuffed down their stacks, I will check that out at the next UMSS race. As far as the MSS coming back, won't happen, UMSS is as close as it will come to that. The problem I had with the MSS was, that Wissota was still trying to run shows. But it was nice that a car could come from just about anywhere and race with us and not have to change anything.

I remember Larry Ball Jr and a few other Knoxville cars coming to Cresco and they didn't have the Hoosier SP-2 tires, but could run the Goodyears that they had deep in their trailor,that were legal at Knoxville. They were old tires and had been seasoned and hardened up, but they didn't have to buy tires.

My opinion on IMCA is, it just seems like they are out on an island all by them shelves. It would be nice if they got more in line with Jackson which is more in line with the rest of the country. I know Jacksons weight rule is different, but it basicly the same.

As far as the Elko show, I wouldn't pay 135.00 just for a lic to race 2 nights. If I raced more, that would be a different story. And the tires, that has and always will be a problem and that will keep cars away, that was the reason for the MSS tire rule.

I know Chris Graf runs IMCA, maybe he has some tires for sale or Dave Tabor will bring his 2 cars out. I'm sure Geldner will be there, he ran IMCA this year.

Who are the cars that should be there?

I agree that the IMCA is out on an island, but the the UMSS is also in the the same place. They each have their own set of rules and claim they are trying to make sprint car racing better. Are they, or does it juat make for smaller car counts at all events. They are the only weekly attraction in central and eastern Minnesota. They should try to work together to make things better because they're not that far apart. They still could each run the shows they have now but wouldn't it be great to see them all together at specials shows and have enough cars to run a B feature!

I disagree with you on that one.

Plus the track owners don't want any B-mains, it cost them money.

I see now looking at the schedule that there are 4 jackpot races in 6 days without a conflict , the motors and rules are about the same. The tires should be a non issue I would expect to buy a set of tires in four nights. there has been no claims so I wouldn't expect one now I would think they would love more cars. all that leaves is the IMCA license so someone should call Bob Allen and see if they can make some kind of concession for a one week permit

It can't be too big of a deal for UMSS to run with IMCA. I know Mike Sargent and Jen Eriksen have run both series. I'm sure Mike would be willing to help answer any questions about running with both series.

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Hmmmm, maybe the title of my original post was incorrect. It appears by the responses that it should have been "the IMCA is definitely still on at Elko."

Stan Meissner

You are correct- the IRA is still on at Elko but so are the IMCA cars along with some support classes.

The "Elko Dirt Nationals" start on Wednesday and it would be great to have 20-30 sprint cars there & it could happen but it will take some of the regulars plus some Jackpot Series cars Plus some UMSS cars to make it happen- I dont know how many will or can run with the IRA cars- Last year at Arlington one of the IMCA 360s qualified & ran in the IRA show. The IRA has a good following of their regulars and Im sure also would welcome anyone to give it a try in that class- Just hope that the whole dirt thing works for the Elko show-Bring your cars-have some fun-support the Sprint Cars & Create some excitement for the class and the Fans!! See you at the races!! Pat

I run weekly with IMCA and if i am correct aren't the umss guys buying tires every nite, If not atleast every other nite? I can get 4 show's outta my tires. And claiming is not an issue there is heads just as good as anything in the umss running weekly with imca. The gear rule isn't as bad as it sounds. Were still turning upwards of 8200 to8600 rpm. The gear rule is a 6.39 for Elko. Not bad for a 3/8 mile track. Yeah ya gotta buy a licence but there's plenty of Jackpot Junction race's yet and there's alway's the Supernational's at Boone.

I know of one top team has has gotten over 100 laps on their rear tires and they are still good tires, so the UMSS guy's are getting very good tire wear this year. I know the was something they were going to watch closely.

The 6:39 sounds like it's right in the ball park for alot of the cars. But it would still be nice to fine tune the gear to the track if you want. Rules suck when you start nit-picking what you can run.

It would all depend on what other races these guy's would want to race and if they raced anymore IMCA races this year. They may not race any other IMCA show's so that would be expensive just for 2 shows. IMCA should put some kind of temp lic in place for one or two shows and if they run more, make them buy a full lic.

Still should be a good show, it don't take 25 cars to put on a good show.

My original post that started this thread didn't have anything to do with the IMCA even though I am aware that IMCA is going to be racing there Wednesday and Thursday. The reason I started this post was there were some details that needed to be worked out between Elko and the IRA. Those issues were resolved and Steve Sinclair sent me an email and asked me to make this post.

As far as the IMCA and the UMSS goes I think the Twin Cities Metro area is big enough to support weekly Sprint Car racing both west and east of the Cities. We certainly see plenty of Midwest Modifieds, Super Stocks, Modifieds and Late Models racing weekly at various tracks located north, south, east and west of the Metro so why not Sprints too? I agree that it would be nice to see some of those cars come together for special shows like this and I think it would step up everybody's program but those decisions are up to the car owners and not my call.

We all appreciate the racing that the IMCA and UMSS puts on in our area but I'd be a liar if I said that I wasn't looking forward to the joint IRA/USMTS weekend that combines my favorite regional Sprint Car sanction and my favorite Modified series. A few years ago Deer Creek put on the same type of joint show with IRA and USMTS and it was an awesome night of racing. Several drivers that ran with the Outlaws will be joining the IRA for this event then we've got Krohn, Shryock, and all the rest of the top USMTS drivers that will be joining them. It's going to be a fun four nights of racing.

Stan Meissner

Chuck,

I will ask you as the only face i know for the UMSS. What is the sanction fee to have a sanctioned race. It seems that to me it would be in the best interest of twincities sprint car racing and to elko speedway to make this a co sanctioned event. car count is what will make this event a success sort of. 12 -14 is not acceptable and 20 -30 is ideal. with a co sanctioned event this would be possible for a mid week event. Sort of a best of the best event. the only sticking point is the tire and wing slider at that point. let the imca pull their 1-7/8 stacks and run the hard tire and umss run the soft tire. dont the spec head motors in umss run un restricted stacks? Just a thought remember compromise is the key.

I don't know what the sanction fee is for the UMSS, I don't deal with that stuff.

I think what you are saying about co-sanctioned or non-sanction would be a good idea. But it would be hard to police the aluminum headed motors, so I would think they would all have to be sleeved unless you have steel heads. As far as the tires, run what you have in your sanction. But I know that wouldn't go over to good. I don't know what IMCA's sanction fee is but if Elko would have gone with a non-sanctioned race, they wouldn't have had to pay a sanction fee and I would have helped out with getting cars and help run the race.