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Posted By: jwerkman on February 05 2009 at 08:09:34 AM
i should have clarified what i typed, i was talking about all the features wolfie won the years he was in the wiekert car and dp car.
i finished reading the book this week and wow what a good book. kinda forgot how dominate he was in those years, and like the post above. we may be watching greatness that we can tell are grand kids about. at least my boys can see what donny is doing all i can do for them is tell them what wolfie did.
grow up all the haters and take it for what it is, it is not very often that a steve kinser sammy swindell doug wolfgang, come around. we may be seeing the next coming of them three. myself hope so, we need that in the sport.
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We need Kinser-like domination? WHAT? Why do you think NASCAR grew to the pinnacle of motorsports and not the World of Outlaws? Because the same guy didn't win the championship every year. Oh and now that Jimmie Johnson has won the last three in a row, NASCAR's ratings are plummeting. I'm sorry but another era of domination is NOT what is needed. We need a competitive field with frequent new champions. We've had Kinser, its not like this is new. We need something NEW. Not the same old same old. Not Very often? Its been like that ever since the WoO has been in existence. Steve, Sammy, and now Schatz. That is not what the sport needs.
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Posted By: Smitty51 on February 05 2009 at 01:19:58 AM
I have seen few shows like this in my day...however track conditions were horrible for this event.
The track was rubber down, with cars hugging the inside guardrail. I don't know that anyone passed a car in the feature. After last nights multi-groove surface...tonights really sucked a$$, and was a true disappointment.
Multiple Posse & numerous others didn't even bother to start the B Main, due to the horrible rubber down conditions, making it virtually impossible to pass a car to make it into the A tonight.
With any luck, the owner or folks close to the Volusia Speedway will actually put water on the track before tomorrow nights events.
The only pass I witnessed was when Saldana got by Schatz for the lead when Cannon fell off of the pace. However the lap did not count and Schatz was given the lead back.
Despite not having the normal home grown Pa potatoes, Rutherford Concessions were dealing out very generous portions of delicious fries! They don't do small!
The "steak on a stick" was delicious as well...I spent $15 on the stuff and I urge anyone to try it!
Mr. Schatz was very approachable tonight and suggested I return with my Yuengling Lager later in the evening. Tim Shaffer & Mike Erdley were chatting and easily approachable tonight as well.
MIA tonight was the 5w who showed up here in FL earlier in the day.
Modified action provided plenty of time to warm up in the car.
Here's to a better prepared track for tomorrows final ASCOC feature
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Hugging the inside is right!!!! Makes it hard to get a pic with the damn wall in the way. 
Congrats to Schatz and team...
On a side note........ it's colder than hell here...
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on February 05 2009 at 08:47:45 AM
We need Kinser-like domination? WHAT? Why do you think NASCAR grew to the pinnacle of motorsports and not the World of Outlaws? Because the same guy didn't win the championship every year. Oh and now that Jimmie Johnson has won the last three in a row, NASCAR's ratings are plummeting. I'm sorry but another era of domination is NOT what is needed. We need a competitive field with frequent new champions. We've had Kinser, its not like this is new. We need something NEW. Not the same old same old. Not Very often? Its been like that ever since the WoO has been in existence. Steve, Sammy, and now Schatz. That is not what the sport needs.
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Yeah - Gordon didn't win all of his titles in a short time, did he? Nascar has had similar dominance - just like most motorsports. Nascar grew to what it is because of rich people - just like Harleys - How many Lawyers and Doctors own the hogs and follow Nascar compared to 15 years ago? Quite a few!!!! I believe the typical race fan is losing interest in Nascar - what's going to happen when the rich folks start losing that interest? At least with sprint cars - what you have is the typical race fan right now. Also, your claim of growing to the pinnacle - let's not forget the differance between dirt and asphalt!!! The rich aren't going to go out and get dirty with us, are they?!!!
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on February 05 2009 at 08:47:45 AM
We need Kinser-like domination? WHAT? Why do you think NASCAR grew to the pinnacle of motorsports and not the World of Outlaws? Because the same guy didn't win the championship every year. Oh and now that Jimmie Johnson has won the last three in a row, NASCAR's ratings are plummeting. I'm sorry but another era of domination is NOT what is needed. We need a competitive field with frequent new champions. We've had Kinser, its not like this is new. We need something NEW. Not the same old same old. Not Very often? Its been like that ever since the WoO has been in existence. Steve, Sammy, and now Schatz. That is not what the sport needs.
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all i am saying is
we have had some of the best racers of alltime in the sport we love. now no one on here can tell me they hate steve sammy wolfie haud or anyone else that has put a good string together.
i for one watched donny start as a 15 year old punk and hated him because they had all the fancy stuff and everyone else had what we had but still kicked his ass. now he has grown into his own just like the big three. screw nascar. sprint cars are different we all go to see if there is some one else who can knock off the top dog.
just because donny won the first two races this year, so what he may not win another one all year who knows. i doubt it but it could happen. just think when nationals come around how many people are gonna want a new winner. heck donny may have to run the alphabet to make the a . and if he does i would still be happ to see that it has not been done since wolfie did it in the williams car. what a nationals that was, right or wrong?
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It was the same when Kinser dominated all thoe years. Quit yer cryin' It is what it is. If someone was good enough to beat him, THEY WOULD.....................
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Posted By: Smitty51 on February 05 2009 at 01:19:58 AM
I have seen few shows like this in my day...however track conditions were horrible for this event.
The track was rubber down, with cars hugging the inside guardrail. I don't know that anyone passed a car in the feature. After last nights multi-groove surface...tonights really sucked a$$, and was a true disappointment.
Multiple Posse & numerous others didn't even bother to start the B Main, due to the horrible rubber down conditions, making it virtually impossible to pass a car to make it into the A tonight.
With any luck, the owner or folks close to the Volusia Speedway will actually put water on the track before tomorrow nights events.
The only pass I witnessed was when Saldana got by Schatz for the lead when Cannon fell off of the pace. However the lap did not count and Schatz was given the lead back.
Despite not having the normal home grown Pa potatoes, Rutherford Concessions were dealing out very generous portions of delicious fries! They don't do small!
The "steak on a stick" was delicious as well...I spent $15 on the stuff and I urge anyone to try it!
Mr. Schatz was very approachable tonight and suggested I return with my Yuengling Lager later in the evening. Tim Shaffer & Mike Erdley were chatting and easily approachable tonight as well.
MIA tonight was the 5w who showed up here in FL earlier in the day.
Modified action provided plenty of time to warm up in the car.
Here's to a better prepared track for tomorrows final ASCOC feature
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haud passed 3 cars in the first 2 corners to make the transfer in the B.
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haha...i love this stuff...you all take me so serious with this meyers and schatz...im just tryin to get some good chatter out of wingnut and supershitz...hold on guys...i gotta go take one of those supershitz right now...
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Posted By: jwerkman on February 05 2009 at 08:09:34 AM
i should have clarified what i typed, i was talking about all the features wolfie won the years he was in the wiekert car and dp car.
i finished reading the book this week and wow what a good book. kinda forgot how dominate he was in those years, and like the post above. we may be watching greatness that we can tell are grand kids about. at least my boys can see what donny is doing all i can do for them is tell them what wolfie did.
grow up all the haters and take it for what it is, it is not very often that a steve kinser sammy swindell doug wolfgang, come around. we may be seeing the next coming of them three. myself hope so, we need that in the sport.
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the only time that someone who dominates the sport is good for it is years later when it is talked about. a one team domination does not grow the sport. nothing against donny or steve or richard petty. petty, for as much as he has done for the sport, sure made things boring at times. what is good for the sport is close competition. what is good is going to the track and not knowing who may come out on top. the sport does not need one team domination, no matter what team it is. more people can't stand schatz than like him. no matter how much they respect his performance. and that is too bad. it might be great for you to jump up and down and talk smack. but remember you are not the only fan out there. most of us like to see the competition not domination. but i really don't expect you to take the blinders off long enough to understand that.
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on February 05 2009 at 08:47:45 AM
We need Kinser-like domination? WHAT? Why do you think NASCAR grew to the pinnacle of motorsports and not the World of Outlaws? Because the same guy didn't win the championship every year. Oh and now that Jimmie Johnson has won the last three in a row, NASCAR's ratings are plummeting. I'm sorry but another era of domination is NOT what is needed. We need a competitive field with frequent new champions. We've had Kinser, its not like this is new. We need something NEW. Not the same old same old. Not Very often? Its been like that ever since the WoO has been in existence. Steve, Sammy, and now Schatz. That is not what the sport needs.
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That is a huge assumption to claim the reason NASCAR's ratings are declining is because Jimmie Johnson has won three titles in a row. Yea, that's gotta be the reason. Surely, it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that NASCAR has alienated many of their long-time fans in recent years and that the majority of the races are fairly boring except for a few tracks each year.
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Posted By: WoO14 on February 05 2009 at 11:27:16 AM
haha...i love this stuff...you all take me so serious with this meyers and schatz...im just tryin to get some good chatter out of wingnut and supershitz...hold on guys...i gotta go take one of those supershitz right now...
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LOL!! Right!! Don't forget to wipe. I'm smelling shit with your statement and you know it!
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hahaha...PERFECT
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There might not have been much passing but Dollansky started 23rd I beleieve and finished 14th, so there must have been some passing in the back of the field. Hopefully the track is better tonight, so there is passing throughout the field. Now with all the Schatz stuff...Not a fan also sick of seeing him win it does get boring, Schatz fans say we are whining, well mabe but if those fans were watching Schatz get beat by the same guy they would be too(kinda like when Steve was up there all the time).
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I am a HUGE NASCAR fan, for quite awhile now. I soooo lost interest with this 'CHASE' crap. I am all for a driver having a good, steady year (NOT A FEW RACES) and being rewarded at the end. If guys want to bitch and moan, then get better, get consistant. To me, the 'CHASE' took that all away. It's just guys riding around, keeping out of trouble, just to make the CHASE, and a guy gets on 'ONE' tiny streak, he is the champ. A guy that came in 12th, can feasibly win. That is not cool to me, for the guy that has a huge lead, deservedly so, may not be rewarded. A load of crap, that is.....Thats, at least for me, why my interest in NASCAR has lessened over the years, NOT because someone is 'hot'
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I understand not wanting the same person to win every night, but jesus, if it's fair and they keep doing it, you sure as hell can't handicap someone for being good! Trust me, teams and officials alike are going to keep a close eye on what they do, no team likes to lose and no sanction wants to hurt their show. Fred Rahmer said it best last year at Lincoln after he won his 6th or 7th race of the season, he WANTS someone to rise up and challenge him, but he's not gonna pull over because people want to see their driver win instead. Stop bitching, start racing, the same people that want to constantly level the playing field when someone is beating them fair and square are probably the same people that think welfare is the answer... I'm no Schatz fan, I go Posse all the way, but I don't get mad when they lose and say "unplug a spark plug wire from the 15 to make it fair" either.
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i think the chase serves its purpose...the lead that kyle busch had lastyear would have drivin away people from watchin it on tv...if kyle truely was the best driver of the year he would have won the chase as well...it makes the end of the year exciting to watch...i wouldnt have watched the last races of the year if one guys is pretty much promised the championship...excitement and that is what the fans want...and right now in sprint car racing there isnt much of that...it could take a turn and may not change all year...who knows...
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Posted By: LatshPA on February 05 2009 at 12:24:02 PM
I understand not wanting the same person to win every night, but jesus, if it's fair and they keep doing it, you sure as hell can't handicap someone for being good! Trust me, teams and officials alike are going to keep a close eye on what they do, no team likes to lose and no sanction wants to hurt their show. Fred Rahmer said it best last year at Lincoln after he won his 6th or 7th race of the season, he WANTS someone to rise up and challenge him, but he's not gonna pull over because people want to see their driver win instead. Stop bitching, start racing, the same people that want to constantly level the playing field when someone is beating them fair and square are probably the same people that think welfare is the answer... I'm no Schatz fan, I go Posse all the way, but I don't get mad when they lose and say "unplug a spark plug wire from the 15 to make it fair" either.
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I don't know that you should take everyting Fred says on the mike as the gospel. Starting 12th every night was fine when he had Al Hamilton or Joe Harz's money outspending everyone else. Bu now that the field has tightened, he complains about the guys that start up front to try and take advantage of the handicapping.
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You have your opinion, and I have mine. Bottom line to me? A guy that deserves the title, based on his performance ALL YEAR, is more fair than how hot someone gets the last third of the season. Be that 'hot' all season, and you deserve it. Maybe if the Outlaws were to do something like that, people would see it is not fair. I would not like that either. Just my opinion. I hate to say it, but Kyle deserved the championship. He was on fire. It would not have taken away from me watching the rest of the races. I just want whats fair....to the guy that does it ALL year.
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I don't know that you should take everyting Fred says on the mike as the gospel. Starting 12th every night was fine when he had Al Hamilton or Joe Harz's money outspending everyone else. Bu now that the field has tightened, he complains about the guys that start up front to try and take advantage of the handicapping.
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Hardly do, but I don't remember seeing him in the 77 or 88H last season and he still won 5 of the 7 races from 12th and one from 9th, so he obviously stopped complaining at some point and got up on the wheel. I don't think he complains about the drivers, I think he complains about the tracks letting drivers who don't support their shows weekly start ahead of the ones that do. He's hardly the only one that did it either, I remember Jeff Shepard saying something similar in victory lane at Lincoln, he loved the place, but would only show up for the TT shows because of the handicap rules.
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Posted By: LatshPA on February 05 2009 at 12:40:21 PM
Hardly do, but I don't remember seeing him in the 77 or 88H last season and he still won 5 of the 7 races from 12th and one from 9th, so he obviously stopped complaining at some point and got up on the wheel. I don't think he complains about the drivers, I think he complains about the tracks letting drivers who don't support their shows weekly start ahead of the ones that do. He's hardly the only one that did it either, I remember Jeff Shepard saying something similar in victory lane at Lincoln, he loved the place, but would only show up for the TT shows because of the handicap rules.
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He also doesn't win from the sixth row at the Grove anymore, like he did in the Hamilton and Harz days, and he did a lot of bitchng about it this offseason. Shepard and Rahmer were the two biggest complainers about the PA handicapping system in the past year or two.
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Posted By: jwerkman on February 05 2009 at 11:18:49 AM
rouge
all i am saying is
we have had some of the best racers of alltime in the sport we love. now no one on here can tell me they hate steve sammy wolfie haud or anyone else that has put a good string together.
i for one watched donny start as a 15 year old punk and hated him because they had all the fancy stuff and everyone else had what we had but still kicked his ass. now he has grown into his own just like the big three. screw nascar. sprint cars are different we all go to see if there is some one else who can knock off the top dog.
just because donny won the first two races this year, so what he may not win another one all year who knows. i doubt it but it could happen. just think when nationals come around how many people are gonna want a new winner. heck donny may have to run the alphabet to make the a . and if he does i would still be happ to see that it has not been done since wolfie did it in the williams car. what a nationals that was, right or wrong?
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the point is, people other than you don't want to see donny run the alphabet, they want to see someone else do it.
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