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August 19, 2008 at
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Posted By: TommyBahama on August 19 2008 at 05:37:21 PM
This is all well and good and very educational, but where the hell is Mark Kinser?
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HAHA!!! I was taking a drink of my mt. dew when i read that and just about sprayed it all over the screen. HAHA, I love it!! What about Andy Hillenburg? IT has been about a month since somebody asked about him.
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August 19, 2008 at
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Posted By: Cwoo35 on August 19 2008 at 12:43:31 PM
yea but Gibson said they were having trouble weighing him cuz of the flat tire and each tire has a pod type scale to sit on. and why wouldnt 10lbs of pressure weigh 10lbs?
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I sure hope your not old enough to vote. This is just plain scarey.
Jeff Kristensen
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August 19, 2008 at
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i was in minot at nodak and was standing there when jacs tire went flat...
the race was done.. they were driving accross the gravel lot to the scale when i heard it PSSHT and the car drop ...
they weighed him pulled him to the side and said your under... they told his crew to get a tire and they were going to weigh the car.. then the other tire seprate from what i heard.... not mount it on the car to get a true weight... it took forever to get jac outta the WOO hauler after the race to even get an autograph there was trucks pulling out when he finnaly got to his hauler! ppl in the TSR pits were pissed that WOO were letting jac re weigh his car.. on another note there was not one car that cam off that track that had another 3 laps left in the right rear! i have schatz's right rer fromt he a main beside me and there is NO rubber left!
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August 19, 2008 at
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I guess it comes down to who's responsibility it is to present a car suitable for proper tech?
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August 19, 2008 at
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I think his crew chief screwed up.
At the end of the race, how many cars on the lead lap?
Penalty for underweight...last place.
Penalty for changing a tire...since he was on the lead lap...he gets scored at the end of the lead lap.
This might have been worth some points and/or money.
AND, like I said on the other thread..Mark and Karl are getting a car together for the 09 Nats.
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Posted By: outlaws8k2 on August 19 2008 at 03:00:26 PM
I think the casual race fan would be shocked at how much weight can be lost in rubber from the tires. I think Neil C. with Hoosier said between all 4 tires around 38 lbs of rubber can be lost (around 5 gallons worth of fuel). As for how the car was weighed, same exact thing happened with Dollansky at that track before when he ran 2nd. He went back to the shop and weighed the car himself and found it to be within a few pounds on his scales. Haud likes to be close on weight, always has.
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I really find it hard to believe that you could lose 38 lbs of rubber and still have anything left to hold air. I will concede that you do lose a lot of rubber mostly LR and RR but I can not see it being anywhere near 38 lbs. Maybe 3-8 lbs not 38, but I could be wrong I might have to do an experiment on this.
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August 19, 2008 at
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From what I'm told, you'll be surprised Hawg. Just weigh a set of tires before you mount them, then after a night of racing, weigh them again. That 38 lbs number should be right in the ball park.
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Posted By: Cwoo35 on August 19 2008 at 12:22:54 PM
I know Jac Haudenschild got DQed at Nodak sunday nite. I know he also had a flat right rear which made it hard and unbalanced to weigh and it took almost 40 minutes for a ruling? My question to anyone that may know or was there did he actually get a fair weighing because of the tire, how much was he under, and would it even be fair or accurate to weigh a car that was lopsided and unbalanced? I personally think they kinda shafted him its one thing if the car is perfect and he is light i can live with that. They should have put air in the tire that is if it would hold air and make the car balanced and if they put 10lbs in make him weigh 1385! Plus i think if this was Schatz, Kinser, Saldana, or one of the other favorite sons the judgement might have been different!
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If you check out Caranhanmotorsports.com website and Maria's blog ( she is one of the crew ) you can get more infor on it. Yes I say Jac got screwed........again....... this year. There was something wrong with the scale but instead of getting another scale, they just ruled him as a DQ. He got screwed earlier in the year when a caution flag flew and the WoO officials put him back to 6th instead of the lead. The officials here are almost as bad as in F1.
No matter how hard you try.........you can't polish a
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August 19, 2008 at
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Imagine how hard it is to swim with a 3000 psi SCUBA tank strapped on...
This is quite possibly the dumbest thread in the history of the internet.
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August 19, 2008 at
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Don't think it's too dumb. Some serious questions being asked and not anyone with a good answer. looks like something someone could look into. Been a lot of valid points made.
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August 19, 2008 at
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Wait a second... so you're saying that a right rear tire doesn't weigh 15,120 pounds? Maybe my math is wrong... 105 inches of rollout x 18 inch tread width would give us 1,890 square inches of surface area... if you multiply that by 8 pounds per square inch of air in the tire, that makes 15,120.
Help?
Edit: Should I have multiplied by pi (3.14159) because a tire is round?
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August 19, 2008 at
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Posted By: team wright-one on August 19 2008 at 01:24:17 PM
wtf are you talking about? 10 lbs of air means that there is 10 lbs of pressure per square inch in the tire. it has nothing to do with how much the tire weighs. if you took a bicycle tire and put 65 lbs of air in it do you think the tire weighs 65 lbs? if you put 5 lbs of air into a ballon do you think it weighs 5 lbs? each tire has a certain amount of the car's weight sitting on it. there are ramps that the car drives up on to go on the scales. those ramps also run between the scales front to back so the car can travel over the first set of scales with the front tires and end up with the front tires on the front set of scales and the rear tires on the rear set of scales. there are four seperate scales about the size of a large bath room scale that the car sets on. the combined weight of each corner of the car is the total weight. it a car has a low tire and the frame bottoms out on the ramp, it does not let some of the weight set on the scale. therefore reducing the total weight that would be read. stand with one foot on a bath scale and one foot on the ground. the scale will not read your actual weight becase you are not putting all your weight on it. you still weigh the same. but the scale can not read it because you are not putting all your weight on it. i do not know if that is in fact what happened, just pointing out a possibility.
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Your theory would be valid if the wheel was off the car. But if the wheel is still on the car, and on the scale pad, the frame rail isn't going to touch, especially when everyone is running a raised rail chassis.
He was light, it's not the first time a driver has been busted for it. Teams like to play the weight game with lower fuel levels and such. If you wanna play, sometimes you gotta pay.
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This is the most action Hauds had on this board since the last time he led a lap.
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Posted By: Midwest Race Fan on August 19 2008 at 09:37:16 PM
I guess it comes down to who's responsibility it is to present a car suitable for proper tech?
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no, it comes down to what will they allow you to submit. if they would not allow the team to submit a car properly suited for accuate scaling......?
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the obvious solution would have been for the team to just say that they did not mean to be light, just as the KPC chassis guys said about their illegal mid-rail tube on their cars, and sign a waiver and have haud put some lead in his pocket. 
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Posted By: lazlo on August 19 2008 at 09:53:42 PM
I think his crew chief screwed up.
At the end of the race, how many cars on the lead lap?
Penalty for underweight...last place.
Penalty for changing a tire...since he was on the lead lap...he gets scored at the end of the lead lap.
This might have been worth some points and/or money.
AND, like I said on the other thread..Mark and Karl are getting a car together for the 09 Nats.
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would that car of mark and carl be a 57 chevy?
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Posted By: The_Truth_Detector on August 19 2008 at 11:12:12 PM
Imagine how hard it is to swim with a 3000 psi SCUBA tank strapped on...
This is quite possibly the dumbest thread in the history of the internet.
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c'mon, everyone knows that in the water that tank doen't weigh 3000 lbs any more. nice try. 
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Posted By: The_Truth_Detector on August 19 2008 at 11:42:27 PM
Your theory would be valid if the wheel was off the car. But if the wheel is still on the car, and on the scale pad, the frame rail isn't going to touch, especially when everyone is running a raised rail chassis.
He was light, it's not the first time a driver has been busted for it. Teams like to play the weight game with lower fuel levels and such. If you wanna play, sometimes you gotta pay.
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we are talking the RR tire here. the raised rail is on the left side. just wondering of the possibility of the frame bottoming as it is only 5-7 inches off the ground when the tire is inflated. when you let all the air out of that big RR there is a chance the frame could bottom.
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It seems like it is hard enough just to fit an inflated RR tire on most scales.
Just one more reason to go to a narrower tire...lol. Lord, I apologize.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: team wright-one on August 20 2008 at 03:11:01 AM
the obvious solution would have been for the team to just say that they did not mean to be light, just as the KPC chassis guys said about their illegal mid-rail tube on their cars, and sign a waiver and have haud put some lead in his pocket.
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What was illegal about it?
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