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What I meant by that the outlaws were struggling to keep going before Dirtvison.  That helped them out tremendously.  Right now Flo is giving a big shot in the arm to HL.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in crowd sizes at a 410 sprint car race in Oklahoma in the middle of April. The area's that both the Outlaws and High Limit are racing in are not exactly 410 sprint car hotbeds. Now granted, the Outlaws probably had a better front gate attendance but they do have brand recognition which does matter here. For years I thought with a niche market that we had and social media the way it is that it did not matter what promotion or series showed up. But then in the past several years I have read articles about the All Stars, which were a pretty well recognized brand here in Ohio, coming to certain tracks in Ohio. In the comments there would be 3-4 people commenting saying things like "what series is this?" "Is this the World of Outlaws?" "Is this Tony's IROC series?" And that is in areas that get crowds to the track. One article was talking about the former Mansfield Track in Ohio and someone commented that they lived in Mansfield and did not know the track had reopened. I would guess that there is a large % of people, even within the sprintcar fanbase that have no clue that High Limit even exists. Might be hard for some of us to understand because we are so in tune to it being hardcore fans but that is the uphill battle that High Limit will have. The streaming part will help significantly with that as well as Kyle Larson's name but it will take some time. How long? Who knows and how long can it be profitable with just FLO money who know.

I would agree with Nick. Everyone I have encountered over my life with even a vague knowledge of dirt track racing have no idea what other 50 different acronym series are but they know the term 'Outlaws' or 'World of Outlaws'. They won't have a clue what the ASCS, ASCoC, NRA, GLSS, A-B-C, L-B-G-T-Q etc. series are but they know when those traveling guys come to the area a couple times a year. 

That and the HL series just has a glorified All Star series featuring Brad Sweet & sometimes Larson feel to it right now. Maybe that will change and evolve over time. I don't know. 

Hmmm. no mention of the less than packed stands at Haubstadt??

Dirtvision exists under the WoO brand. Not the other way around. 

That's the power of brand recognition. 

It surprises me how few people actually understand this. You nailed it. And I'll add to this, concessions. A lot of people don't have a clue just how much tracks make in concessions. You can't sell dogs, burgers and beer/soda to someone in New Mexico watching a Port Royal race on Flo. 

I was at haubstadt last Saturday.  It was not SRO and a few seats could be found but it was a large crowd especially considering the temperature and I'm sure the promoter was happy. 

Dirtvison saved a struggling Woo.  Flo will do the same for HL.  That is what I meant with my comment.

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Looks packed tonight at The Ditch in West Memphis. Maybe the crowds are due to locations more than anything? Outlaw name still holds a different standard today. That could change.