Dude, you need to stop.  I'm guessing you don't do well with sarcasm, so I will be a little more blunt.  You've "observed" things, guess what, I've done them.

Fiber uses light?  No shit?  I didn't splice fiber optic cables for five years and not know that.  YES FIBER OPTIC CABLE USES LIGHT TECHNOLOGY.  No twisted pair phone cables are not on the same level in anyway of fiber optic technology.

A 4 Mbps connection is NOT adequate for streaming.  First off IF you are getting a TRUE 4Mbps connection, you will never see that at your device.  At every switch or routing device there will be a little bit of overhead or loss.  Typically the rule of thumb was you will lose 10% with all of this.  Where I worked we gave higher speeds than advertised because a typical "engineer" would call in wondering why he was paying for 1 Gbps service and only seeing 900 Mbps on his laptop.  2nd of all a full 1080p stream with the h.264 codec uses about 8 Mbps (again, I've done shit, I've done the testing, I know this is true).  Now most streaming services can adjust their quality based on your connection but are you buying a new 55" 4k TV to watch content in 480p?

Signal strength to a cell phone makes a difference?  I thought I was pretty clear with my sarcasm here in my other post.  No Shit.  Anybody with some basic knowledge could understand that.  Since you can use that phone with nothing physically hooked up to it, how do you think it communicates with the outside world?  The only way that cell phone communicates is through wireless technology.  So most people with a 4th grade education understand that, you don't need to be an engineer to know that but thanks for the explanation.  Does your cell phone work in a building with a metal roof?  Yes mine does.  It works better by a window?  No it doesn't, these days with low E gas between the panes of glass and silver coating on the glass there's no advantage to being by a window, in fact it's worse than being by a wall in most cases.  Some buildings have repeaters or cell sites in the building?  What are you talking about?  By repeater are you talking about wireless access points?  Again, no shit.  And no most building don't have cell sites in them.  I also think I was pretty clear on line of site.

Fiber connections need to be clean?  No shit?  Do you have any idea what goes in to splicing a fiber optic cable?  It's not like twisted pair cables where you splice them with some scotch locks and call it good.  You're correct they need to be clean and guess what, it is clean.  You can litterally test an entire reel of fiber optic cable to tell how much loss is on that cable.  

You worked for a company that built websites?  Good for you, You know way more about computer networking than I do apparantly, since building websites takes a lot of computer networking knowledge (nothing against website builders, it takes a lot of talent to do that)  But it's like asking your toe doctor why you're getting headaches.  Just because they both work in a clinic doesn't mean they're experts on the entire human body.  That's why they're called specialists.

You have a bachelor of science degree and you had a license with the FCC.  Good for you.  But that's kind of scary as I don't have either of these and obviously know way more about computer networking than you do.  However I got this knowledge by actually making things work in the real world and not sitting in a classroom (outside of my 2 year degree).

Wired DLS (I'm assuming you meant DSL) in best in all most all cases?  Not to be a dick but if you really believe that, you're an idiot.  Do you have any idea what fiber optic can do?  You're not getting 80 Mbps consistently even if you claim you are (again I know that things start having problems when you push past 70 Mbps).  Does Fiber experience RF interference?  How does fiber handle humidity and condensation?  Spoiler alert much better than twisted pair cable does.  Answer me this.  Right now there is a huge push to get broadband internet out to every home in the US.  So much so that there are a few (I don't know the exact number) federal grants to assist with this.  They are or will literally be handing out billions of dollars to get "broadband" internet out to every home.  If DSL was so great why wouldn't they put that money into DSL technology and have everyone use the lines that are already run up to their house?

You went from saying the internet couldn't handle streaming NASCAR races.  To saying most internet problems are "middle of the road" problems and not in home issues.  Then saying that, that many people streaming from the same source will cause problems.  Then saying you've been using the internet since the beginning of the internet.  To then saying wired DSL is the best internet in most cases.  I don't care what education you have, you don't know what you're talking about.  And don't be upset by that most people don't that don't work in the industry know either.  To put some of your concerns to rest.  People have been streaming NASCAR races for years, just because they're coming from a different source doesn't mean the internet will crash.  Think of it like if you buy your electricity from "Bob's power company" and then decide to get your water from "Tom's power company", it doesn't mean you're going to use more electricity does it?  Most internet problems are caused by middle of the road problems, this can be true but funny thing is, I've witnessed this most with DSL companies because they have lots of outdated equipment.  People streaming to the same source causing problems?  I'm not going to get into it here but the basic idea is if multiple people are streaming from the same source, that can come down the line as one source and then be split amongst however many people are watching.  It's not a good explanation and to be honest I don't completely understand it myself but that's how it was explained to me.  You using the internet since the begining of the internet.  I've asked you multiple times when that was.  Since you won't answer here it 1969.  That was the begining of the internet.  And at that time only high ranking government officials used it.  You said you are about to be 68.  So if your story is completely accurate you were a high ranking government official when you were 14 years old.  Or you're full of shit and trying to look really smart in front of internet strangers thinking that you can claim to be an engineer and everyone will think you're smart.  You're not fooling anyone.

I don't know much about this stuff but he literally didn't put anything in his post that I didn't already know about. So I think you're right. He's a pseudo intellectual trying to blow smoke up people's asses and look smart and bragging about being a college educated engineer as if we're supposed to be impressed. 2 of the absolute dumbest individuals I know graduated with honors from Penn State. Nuff said........

Most people don't understand this stuff, It doesn't make a lot of sense and doesn't correlate to a lot of other things in the world.  This doesn't mean I'm smarter than anyone or anything like that, it's just that for ten years of my professional life, this is what I did.  I couldn't do your job or probably anybody else's but the difference between me and this guy is, I'm smart enough to know what I don't know.  I wouldn't argue with my doctor or lawyer about their process because they're the professional.  I know I sounded like a total asshole but this guy just doesn't get it.  He makes so many assinine statements like "the internet won't be able to handle streaming NASCAR races", "I have been with the internet since it started.", "It overloads sometimes already at several different levels", "It is not the consumer end in most cases. It is the middle of the process that is sometimes overloaded and will struggle as more people stream and others use more bandwidth", "A hardwired DSL connection is best".  These are all FALSE statements but his defense is "I'm an engineer with a real degree" and I've had a license with the FCC".  The funniest one to me was he asked "Why don't you experts expain how it actually works and then why it won't be a problem . . . . . .".  I told him I did know how it worked and he still wanted to argue with me and wouldn't answer any questions I asked him.  I then sprinkled a little more info to him and he still wanted to argue with me.  I then wrote a long post responding to everyone of his questions or thoughts or statements that weren't true.  His response "Frankly no one cares about how your systems work, what you have, your "experiences", etc.".  Translation, I'm not smart enough to argue with you and I don't want to anymore.  However in his next posts he goes on to talk about how his system works, what him and his buddy have and their experiences.

I realize that most people don't care about what I posted however I did this for one reason.  As I said there is a big push to get broadband internet to EVERY home in the United States.  In the next 5-10 years (hopefully less) most people who don't have a good internet option are going to get that chance.  However, you're going to need sign something to allow a third party to dig on your property (to bury the fiber optic line to your house).  Even if this doesn't help the OP, I don't want someone to read this thread and tell those people "I've got DSL and an engineer I know on the message board said that's as good as it's going to get."  So, I'm sorry I've bored most people on here but just remember this, if you get the chance to get a fiber optic line to your house, TAKE THAT CHANCE, NO MATTER WHAT THE CLUELESS SUPPOSED ENGINEER SAYS.

Most people don't understand this stuff, It doesn't make a lot of sense and doesn't correlate to a lot of other things in the world.  This doesn't mean I'm smarter than anyone or anything like that, it's just that for ten years of my professional life, this is what I did.  I couldn't do your job or probably anybody else's but the difference between me and this guy is, I'm smart enough to know what I don't know.  I wouldn't argue with my doctor or lawyer about their process because they're the professional.  I know I sounded like a total asshole but this guy just doesn't get it.  He makes so many assinine statements like "the internet won't be able to handle streaming NASCAR races", "I have been with the internet since it started.", "It overloads sometimes already at several different levels", "It is not the consumer end in most cases. It is the middle of the process that is sometimes overloaded and will struggle as more people stream and others use more bandwidth", "A hardwired DSL connection is best".  These are all FALSE statements but his defense is "I'm an engineer with a real degree" and I've had a license with the FCC".  The funniest one to me was he asked "Why don't you experts expain how it actually works and then why it won't be a problem . . . . . .".  I told him I did know how it worked and he still wanted to argue with me and wouldn't answer any questions I asked him.  I then sprinkled a little more info to him and he still wanted to argue with me.  I then wrote a long post responding to everyone of his questions or thoughts or statements that weren't true.  His response "Frankly no one cares about how your systems work, what you have, your "experiences", etc.".  Translation, I'm not smart enough to argue with you and I don't want to anymore.  However in his next posts he goes on to talk about how his system works, what him and his buddy have and their experiences.

I realize that most people don't care about what I posted however I did this for one reason.  As I said there is a big push to get broadband internet to EVERY home in the United States.  In the next 5-10 years (hopefully less) most people who don't have a good internet option are going to get that chance.  However, you're going to need sign something to allow a third party to dig on your property (to bury the fiber optic line to your house).  Even if this doesn't help the OP, I don't want someone to read this thread and tell those people "I've got DSL and an engineer I know on the message board said that's as good as it's going to get."  So, I'm sorry I've bored most people on here but just remember this, if you get the chance to get a fiber optic line to your house, TAKE THAT CHANCE, NO MATTER WHAT THE CLUELESS SUPPOSED ENGINEER SAYS.

I'm as conservative as they come and I can tell you, you need to stop listening to Alex Jones that dudes cheese slid off his cracker a long time ago.

He's no one you should be quoting to others as a source of serious information if you don't want to be laughed at....

I'm just a retired railroad rate clerk trying to follow this discussion....  

I found your posts to be extremely insightful. I learned a lot about how shit actually works. I know what I don't know but some people just don't. I was born with the gift of a good bullshit detector so usually even if it's something I'm unfamiliar with, I can tell if someone is a bullshitter and this guy has pegged the meter more than once. Then to make it worse, bragging about credentials of him and his son with a smug ass attitude. I can't believe he's still arguing with you after those truth bombs you sent but I guess some people think so highly of themselves that they'll still try to bullshit their way through even after they've been totally exposed. They just don't know when to quit.

Having internet problems. Live in the "sticks" in Indiana. Does anyone stream Flo or DV on HughesNet? Have any problems? Do you run into any data problems?