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There's that side of it for sure. But I think you'd see WoO teams pick and choose High Limit shows and prioritize their bread and butter series. Keep in mind, these guys race A LOT as it is. Burn out is real plus, the ball is in High Limit's court to NOT schedule on top of the World of Outlaws at this point. The WoO already have a rather established schedule. Especially in Pennsylvania which is where a scenario like yours is most likely to occur. So if High Limit tries to engage in any schedule bullshittery, that's going to look real bad for them. They read social media and they know that 9 out of 10 people don't want to see a war with the WoO and doing that would be very unpopular. Of course, getting rid of the All Star name is highly unpopular too and it looks like that's what they're going to do so maybe they don't actually care? As for crowds, you definitely have a point but if they saturate a market, they'll lose fans too so they definitely have to keep that in mind. If they're willing to run a show at a loss to sabotage a WoO date, then they won't be around long anyway because that's just terrible business. 

I don't know who will run it But I heard any driver who calls it anything other than the Tuscarora Fifty only gets half the money if he wins it.

Yes, the best sprintcar driver in the nation made a mistake.  It will not happen again.  Now the 50 is a H.L race.  That will be better than the All Stars anyday.

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

I think the WoO wil be taking the Gloves off.  

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

It will be interesting to watch.  A year ago I took Sweet and Larson at face value and thought, what are they hurting?  Why does the WOO really care?  But it looks as though the WOO pissed them off and they're going after them.  I do know this though, IF dethroning the WOO is what they're after, they can't be the WOO 2.0.  As was shown twice, you can take all the stars away from them and the WOO will still win out.  They're going to have to do something different.  The Flo partnership makes it interesting to me and if done right could change a lot of things.  It kind of makes me think of the old AFL-NFL rivalry back in the day (before my time).  Basically the NFL had never had a league seriously challenge them so when the AFL came along with all of these nerdy business guy owner types that didn't know anything about football so they didn't think they'd be around long either.  But these "nerdy" business guys negotiated a hell of a TV contract and before you knew it they had more money than the NFL and the rest is history.  Flo could do some interesting things that could really change things.  If Flo is ok with losing money for a few years, they could start offering trial subscriptions or a free year with the purchase of whatever, they could potentially get a lot of subscribers in the future.  That's how Netflix, Hulu and many others got started in popularity.  But at this point there isn't enough cars to have two national racing series, this could also be a disaster for both sides.

I am a Californian and I had the chance to watch both Kyle Larson and Brad sweet cut their teeth in sprint cars out here. I've been a fan of both for sometime and still am, but this seems like a really bad thing for sprint car racing. I'm bummed about the demise of the All-Stars, and the high limit national tour seems like a repeat of the United Sprint Association experiment.

Brian Carter did an interview a month ago and he said scheduling races at same tracks would be in question ,so to me the balls in their court now.

I  think if hi limit can secure a few more tracks in ohio and pa  where the all stars had good followings it's going to put a hurt on wrg. Once the full schedule comes out I think many are going to be surprised.

I am with you on this! I see this fragmenting the sport and trying to put the Outlaws out of business! No longer will you be able to buy a tciket and see all the best drivers in one place! I for one stand behind the Outlaws because the Outlaws have stood behind and kept sprintcars relevant for 50 years! Long live the Outlaws! I was hoping Larson and the "BIG Rat" would work with the Outlaws, but its obvious it aint happenin!

If this is all true and there is no more ASCOC.........then Brad, Kyle and Tony can all go F themselves. This does nearly nothing for the fans except probably take money out of their pockets. Took over a bunch of races that already existed and charge you more to see them. 

I've noticed there's been very little said from them about the fans. I see a lot of talk about more money for the teams and "advancing the sport" but very little said about the fans. I see that so much from the Larson cultists on social media....."advancing the sport"......exactly where are they advancing it to by running a new series similar to the one that already exists with similar purses, similar point fund, the same exact rules package (bet ya Kyle and Brad won't think twice about pocketing that Hoosier money), racing at tracks that already exist and mostly sanctioning races that have already existed for quite some time? I don't see any advancement of the sport. I see some people unhappy with the current series building their own sandbox and putting more money in THEIR pockets. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that. Business is business. But so many people seem to think that this deal is being created as a humanitarian cause to save everyone from the big meanie World of Outlaws when in reality, all they're doing is creating their own idea of what the World of Outlaws should be and benefitting from it themselves. I guess the need for high paying midweek races only existed for one season?

This!

BAM�. It should be about providing the best product for the consumer the fans and your absolutely correct I hear crickets about that.

Um pretty sure they are having a separate midweek series... maybe relax until all the information  is out there. 

Who are we kidding? This is ALL ABOUT FLO trying to take on Dirtvision. They are using Brad Sweet & Kyle Larson as figureheads, as the face of the organization. Flo controls the Dirt Late Model world and they think they can use Larson (and I am a huge Kyle fan) to do the same with 410 sprint car racing. High Limits was a sucess in 2023 because most of the fans were there to see Kyle and Rico race, myself included. Let's see how they do in the middle of the summer if they are not there. I do not think Brad Sweet is as big of a draw as those two. Maybe I will be wrong, but his new series is not for the betterment of the sport in my humble opionion.

This whole thing is simply about the rich getting richer.  All Kyle, Brad, and Flo did was screw sprint car racing as a whole.  The All Stars were vital to Ohio's sprint car landscape.  Providing local teams a chance to run against good teams, that are not WoO level, and get a decent payday.  They keep saying this is for the betterment of the sport, which is crap.  It's betterment only to the very high level teams.

This was addressed in the FAQ's link.   The All-Star name is going to be retired.  

The fans are being thought about with the High Limit series.   Who  do you think is going to pay for these new higher purses. Higher ticket prices,  I bet all pit passes will be higher now. And eventually Flo's price will go up.  Flo has money built up for a war chest for now but someone has to put that money back.

There will be mid week races next year just like 2023.  Kyle has to have his personal weekly races so he can play.

Does anyone besides me have a problem with the owners of the series racing in that same series? Just think what will be being said this time next year if Brad Sweet wins the series title.

All the officials from the lowest person to the tech has their checked signed by Brad or Kyle.  Those workers feed, cloth, shelter their families from the money High Limit pays them.  So which official is going to risk that and call Brad or Kyke for a jump with 5 laps to go on a feature.  Who do other races teams protest to when again the official is an employee of a competitor. 

I saw that. My point was, when it started, that was the focus. Now it no longer is. 

You're dead on the money from start to finish. I said the same thing as Brad. He's a guy who doesn't have a huge dedicated following like Rico or Larson do. Or for past examples, Kinser, Sammy and Wolfgang. He's a lot like Bobby Davis Jr. One of the best, a proven champion but a guy that most people are neutral with. I'm sure he has lots of people who he's the favorite driver of, but not nearly enough to carry a series as the top draw. Hell Kinser and Sammy couldn't even do it in the middle of the prime of their careers. People came to watch Kinser lose or to watch Kinser win. Same with Sammy and Doug. I don't see much of that with Sweet. As for Flo, you nailed it. That's exactly what's going on.