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NoDoors
June 28, 2020 at 12:24:31 PM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on June 28 2020 at 12:18:27 PM

Not exactly sure how Larson driving the 15 for Stewart would represent any conflict of interest, as long as Ford Performance and other sponsors were OK with it.   It's no skin off of the WoO's nose who drives the 15 and Stewart owns the All Stars so how would the All Stars have an issue with it?    All that said, I think Stewart's interest in him is for the #14 in NASCAR.   



Because LARSON Owns A WOO Car driven by Carson Macedo -- Owner Points and Driver Points It is a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS and would cause all kinds of problems  It was suggested the Larson would take over for Schatz in the WOO. It would open up so may problems the WOO would never allow it



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Because LARSON Owns A WOO Car driven by Carson Macedo -- Owner Points and Driver Points It is a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS and would cause all kinds of problems  It was suggested the Larson would take over for Schatz in the WOO. It would open up so may problems the WOO would never allow it



What would be the conflict of interest? How does it work for drivers that have their own teams? Was it a conflict of interest when Steve Kinser owned Kraigs car? 



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What would be the conflict of interest? How does it work for drivers that have their own teams? Was it a conflict of interest when Steve Kinser owned Kraigs car? 



The conflict of interest come into play is what if macedo is winning Larson is in 2nd and slows to let Macedo win so he gets the OWNER POINTS and also at the same time Blocks someone else from winning.  There can be so many ways Larson could CHEAT and other teams would be having Fits.  Kinser on the other Hand Owned the Cars and the teams there is No Conflict there he owned both of them.  Larson Driving for Stewart and Owning a  SEPERATE WOO Team is a Conflict from the get go and would never be allowed 




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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:05:50 PM

The conflict of interest come into play is what if macedo is winning Larson is in 2nd and slows to let Macedo win so he gets the OWNER POINTS and also at the same time Blocks someone else from winning.  There can be so many ways Larson could CHEAT and other teams would be having Fits.  Kinser on the other Hand Owned the Cars and the teams there is No Conflict there he owned both of them.  Larson Driving for Stewart and Owning a  SEPERATE WOO Team is a Conflict from the get go and would never be allowed 



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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:05:50 PM

The conflict of interest come into play is what if macedo is winning Larson is in 2nd and slows to let Macedo win so he gets the OWNER POINTS and also at the same time Blocks someone else from winning.  There can be so many ways Larson could CHEAT and other teams would be having Fits.  Kinser on the other Hand Owned the Cars and the teams there is No Conflict there he owned both of them.  Larson Driving for Stewart and Owning a  SEPERATE WOO Team is a Conflict from the get go and would never be allowed 



Wow, your comments just keeps proving my theory that 80% of people are idiots. You just happen to fit in the top 10% of that 80% that are just flat stupid. 

 

 



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Posted By: Methanol on June 28 2020 at 02:25:51 PM

Wow, your comments just keeps proving my theory that 80% of people are idiots. You just happen to fit in the top 10% of that 80% that are just flat stupid. 

 

 



WTF HUH??  Stupid??  Prove me wrong then go Mr I KNOW EVERYTHING Prove me wrong. ahead because the Stupidity of a WOO Team Owner driving for another team and it NOT being a Conflict Of Interest is STUPID.  That is a Disaster waiting to happen and the complications and problems it would cause are more than anyone can imagine.  Especially if the other Owners call foul and I guarantee it would happen




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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:05:50 PM

The conflict of interest come into play is what if macedo is winning Larson is in 2nd and slows to let Macedo win so he gets the OWNER POINTS and also at the same time Blocks someone else from winning.  There can be so many ways Larson could CHEAT and other teams would be having Fits.  Kinser on the other Hand Owned the Cars and the teams there is No Conflict there he owned both of them.  Larson Driving for Stewart and Owning a  SEPERATE WOO Team is a Conflict from the get go and would never be allowed 



You must have missed the time when Steve Kinser was driving a car owned by Tony Stewart on the WoO tour and he (Steve) owned his son's (Kraig) team that was also racing the WoO tour.

I don't remember there being any trouble with "conflict of interest" then and I doubt there would be if Larson drove a car for Stewart.     That said, if Larson drives for Stewart its likely going to be in Nascar.   

 



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Posted By: kooks on June 28 2020 at 03:59:00 PM

You must have missed the time when Steve Kinser was driving a car owned by Tony Stewart on the WoO tour and he (Steve) owned his son's (Kraig) team that was also racing the WoO tour.

I don't remember there being any trouble with "conflict of interest" then and I doubt there would be if Larson drove a car for Stewart.     That said, if Larson drives for Stewart its likely going to be in Nascar.   

 



Thats was a part time gig for Volusia it wasnt a full Outlaw Tour with points and Big Money involved and a possible Championship.  Like I said any who can prove me wrong that it isnt a conflict of interests than do it.  I know this is a conflict of interests if Larson Signs to do a COMPLETE OUTLAW TOUR with Stewart while he OWNS an Outlaw Team  also Im sure Both Kinser and Stewart had to go to WOO and ask permision and sign all sorts of waivers and papers to do it.  Hell the lawsuits alon could kill WOO from the other owners that is haw ludicris this could become



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Larsen driving the 57 against the 2 has always caused me to wonder about a conflict clause.

But the bigger dig is Tony racing his car in his tour at his track. 

Im not saying any IS a conflict, just amazing and sometimes hard to figure out, at least for a northerner.


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Posted By: Nick14 on June 28 2020 at 12:08:49 PM

I don't cheer for Donny to win, actually the opposite but I do respect his accomplishments. I didn't think what he said was really all that negative but more of a leadership message. This season & last season with everything going on Donny has been fairly positive about everything happening and trying to do his part but this past season, that team has not performed up to par. You can only encourage and pat people on the back and compliment them so much until eventually they just need a kick in the ass. If anyone on his team is offended or had any hurt feelings about it they can either fix the performance or go out the door. Although they have 2wins and are 2nd in the points, the results are not up to the standards that they are accustomed to. Even if Sweet & Schuchart have closed the gap. You don't win 10 championships & 10 Nationals by accepting the results that they have had. Donny has taken a lot in stride the past year & half but I think he might be getting to the point of if we're not going to get any better then some changes are going to be needed.

OR. It was just a joke to get a chuckle & ease some of the stress & tension that everyone might be under.



I feel the same way about Donny.  The only time I ever clapped for him was when he won the Knoxville Nationals from the B.  I dont cheer for him.  I cheer for the other guy.  But why?  He's so clean.  He does it the right way.  He's very professional even in defeat.  I've actually run into him by chance in public in Knoxville 2 times and he's a very polite human.  (At least in those 2 encounters).  Why don't more of us like Donny?  



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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:05:50 PM

The conflict of interest come into play is what if macedo is winning Larson is in 2nd and slows to let Macedo win so he gets the OWNER POINTS and also at the same time Blocks someone else from winning.  There can be so many ways Larson could CHEAT and other teams would be having Fits.  Kinser on the other Hand Owned the Cars and the teams there is No Conflict there he owned both of them.  Larson Driving for Stewart and Owning a  SEPERATE WOO Team is a Conflict from the get go and would never be allowed 



    Is that a whole different than NASCAR having competing stables of drivers?



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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 04:21:35 PM

Thats was a part time gig for Volusia it wasnt a full Outlaw Tour with points and Big Money involved and a possible Championship.  Like I said any who can prove me wrong that it isnt a conflict of interests than do it.  I know this is a conflict of interests if Larson Signs to do a COMPLETE OUTLAW TOUR with Stewart while he OWNS an Outlaw Team  also Im sure Both Kinser and Stewart had to go to WOO and ask permision and sign all sorts of waivers and papers to do it.  Hell the lawsuits alon could kill WOO from the other owners that is haw ludicris this could become



And I'm sure the WoO won't allow this unless you approve...




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Posted By: Murphy on June 28 2020 at 05:34:34 PM

    Is that a whole different than NASCAR having competing stables of drivers?



Yes, I have yet to see team blocking, etc. in a sprint car race.

NASCAR is more like Roller Derby.  Once the jammers are out of the pack, the blockers go to work.

 



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I thought the ford would just drive itself right into victory lane. No need for a chassis even per some folks


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Posted By: egras on June 28 2020 at 04:44:39 PM

I feel the same way about Donny.  The only time I ever clapped for him was when he won the Knoxville Nationals from the B.  I dont cheer for him.  I cheer for the other guy.  But why?  He's so clean.  He does it the right way.  He's very professional even in defeat.  I've actually run into him by chance in public in Knoxville 2 times and he's a very polite human.  (At least in those 2 encounters).  Why don't more of us like Donny?  



Part of our society in some respects I guess. Look at great teams throughout history in sports: Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Canadiens, Red Wings, Yankees, Patriots, Earnhardt, Gordon, Johnson. All had their fanbases that pay a lot of money but a majority of league fanbase hates/hated them even though for a period of time they were the best but instead of being celebrated they were booed. Americans seem to have this whole facination of the underdog story because it relates to a mass majority of us. I remember when I started going to races Schatz was already the dominate driver so I didnt want to be considered a bandwagon fan so I picked someone else to follow. There are times when the underdog becomes the favorite because he starts winning, suddenly everyone forgets that connection they once had with said individual/team and they suddenly become the villan.

I remember at last years driver intros at the Nationals when Brad Sweet was announced I was taken a little aback when I heard some boos around me. I remember thinking WTH, this place erupting the year prior when he beat Schatz but the next year your booing him? Is this a policy of he already won one so I don't want him to win another for a while, the whole wait your turn philosophy? Or is it because he has won too much already that season so its someone elses turn to win a big event? I kind of chuckled and said to my buddy, I'm glad I jumped on the Sweet bandwagon a year prior to him winning the Nationals.




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I thought the ford would just drive itself right into victory lane. No need for a chassis even per some folks



Yeah that's what we all heard.   I had also heard that the main concern was durability, but that it would be a powerhouse for sure.   I guess it is durable, or at least I haven't seen them blow one up while they're running 10th.   



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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:29:32 PM

WTF HUH??  Stupid??  Prove me wrong then go Mr I KNOW EVERYTHING Prove me wrong. ahead because the Stupidity of a WOO Team Owner driving for another team and it NOT being a Conflict Of Interest is STUPID.  That is a Disaster waiting to happen and the complications and problems it would cause are more than anyone can imagine.  Especially if the other Owners call foul and I guarantee it would happen



ok.... proof??  I do not offer proof... I offer fact....ask the #17 team of Sheldon who was driving their car for their first WOO win and they would say Kyle Larson who, at the time, owned the #2 driven by another driver in the same race.. pretty much exactly what you said they would never do.......



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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 04:21:35 PM

Thats was a part time gig for Volusia it wasnt a full Outlaw Tour with points and Big Money involved and a possible Championship.  Like I said any who can prove me wrong that it isnt a conflict of interests than do it.  I know this is a conflict of interests if Larson Signs to do a COMPLETE OUTLAW TOUR with Stewart while he OWNS an Outlaw Team  also Im sure Both Kinser and Stewart had to go to WOO and ask permision and sign all sorts of waivers and papers to do it.  Hell the lawsuits alon could kill WOO from the other owners that is haw ludicris this could become



I could be wrong but I think Steve was in the TSR car all year and Kraig was in the SKR car all year, both of them on the WoO tour.   Steve finished 8th and Kraig 9th in points in 2014.




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Posted By: kooks on June 28 2020 at 08:34:10 PM

I could be wrong but I think Steve was in the TSR car all year and Kraig was in the SKR car all year, both of them on the WoO tour.   Steve finished 8th and Kraig 9th in points in 2014.



Correct. Frankly, i don't think WoO gives a rat's ass about "conflict of interest".

What they care about is cars on the track & butts in the seats, the more the merrier

Tony Stewart OWNING Allstars & competing in the series has got to be the ultimate conflict of interest,  & nobody seems to care about that either..



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Posted By: egras on June 28 2020 at 04:44:39 PM

I feel the same way about Donny.  The only time I ever clapped for him was when he won the Knoxville Nationals from the B.  I dont cheer for him.  I cheer for the other guy.  But why?  He's so clean.  He does it the right way.  He's very professional even in defeat.  I've actually run into him by chance in public in Knoxville 2 times and he's a very polite human.  (At least in those 2 encounters).  Why don't more of us like Donny?  



Make that 3 of us. His win from 21st was the greatest feat i ever saw on a dirt track.

Its all about rooting for the underdog. I've been hoping he does better, sad to see a guy who's been so great over the years slide into midpack status (not win, just make it interesting...)

A few people said Ricky Warner was not with him, others said he was.... what is it?

I'm a Ford fan, but it just doesn't seem so fast, at least at the moment

He usually picks up big time after Knoxville, but who knows this year, everything is so screwy...





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