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Topic: Fully enclosed cockpits in winged sprint cars
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December 10, 2019 at
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Posted By: hardon on December 10 2019 at 01:08:18 AM
That was my thought exactly. The light weight parts aren't going anywhere until they're completely outlawed in my opinion. But a question I have for anyone working on race cars is lets say just for laughs they would outlaw adding weight to cars, whether it be bolt on or welded on or any other way. Could someone put lead or tungsten inside of the tubes of the frame? A couple of issues I see is with this would be, first off you would need to be comfortable cutting up a frame, adding the weight and then welding it back up. Second of all would be keeping the lead or tungsten where it needed to be (so it wouldn't move from the front of the car to the back of the car or vice-versa), but I would think this would be easy enough to do if you're comfortable enough cutting up your frame, you could easily put a stop in. I've never heard of this but I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of it, maybe it's already happening? But does anyone see any other issues with this? Would having the extra weight inside of the frame rails affect the way the chassis works?
On a side note, this is why I've always believed less rules, not more rules is the way to lower costs in racing. In this example, think of how much more expensive it is just to add weight and hide it.
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Darrell Waltrip used to do something like this back in the day. ; They would fill his frame with lead shot, and he would pull a cord and dump all of it on the track to make him lighter. They must have weighed them before the race/qualifying back then
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December 10, 2019 at
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Posted By: Murphy on December 10 2019 at 10:00:00 AM
I must be missing something. Wouldn't it be quite easy to just put molten lead in a lower frame rail when the chassis is being built? It seems pretty easy to add weight. What's to stop you from making the floorpan out of 1/4" steel plate for example?
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Thats another thing, there are too many factors in the "No added weight" type of rule, because whats to stop someone from using floor pans like that? Back in the day we used to run steel floor pans, kick panels, etc when the NMRA 360 weight rule was 1550 around the SD area.I believe that thick steel parts like floor pans and kick panels are fine, as that will not only add weight, but also a safety factor as well. Thing is high dollar teams will still for-go that and add weight to other areas of the car.
When it comes to filling the frame up I am not sure if that would be legal, as far as I know, it is now illegal to fill nerf bars and such up with lead shot. Though I am not sure it is enforced too often so there may still be teams doing it. There would need to be clarification on things like that. if it were to be deemed illegal, i would imagine that they would be able to find it with a tubing gauge checker.
My .02 cents worth, lets let the big money teams spend what they want to spend, and lets bridge the gap between funded and budget teams by implementing a 16 inch wide hard compound RR tire and a harder compound LR tire, with a 1 RR tire all night rule. Just by making the tires harder without doing anything else, it will unhook the tires from the racetrack and even up the playing field. If you wanted to go a step further you can go with a gear rule or a wing angle rule, but with a wing angle rule you take away sliders, which can be a safety issue. Neither of which I would like to see on the outlaw circuit.
Lets face it, they are the outlaws, you gotta pay to play. Sprint car racing is expensive, it is the top rank of dirt circle track racing, right along with Late Models. If you want to run in the top class, it should be expensive. Granted, it has gotten out of hand in the last coupleof years, but if the premier class was cheap, it would be a lot different. Theres a reason why 85% of the fan base local to my area loves Sprint Cars and Late Models, and hates B Mods.
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December 10, 2019 at
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Posted By: Murphy on December 10 2019 at 10:00:00 AM
I must be missing something. Wouldn't it be quite easy to just put molten lead in a lower frame rail when the chassis is being built? It seems pretty easy to add weight. What's to stop you from making the floorpan out of 1/4" steel plate for example?
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They make steel engine motorplate. Have also seen steel floorboard ,which I think is a good idea because it is low to the ground. Our car always is about 40 lbs heavy even though we watch our fuel level close. I sure wish I had the problem of being to lite. You have to find a driver about the size of a sixth grader.
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December 10, 2019 at
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Posted By: Murphy on December 10 2019 at 10:00:00 AM
I must be missing something. Wouldn't it be quite easy to just put molten lead in a lower frame rail when the chassis is being built? It seems pretty easy to add weight. What's to stop you from making the floorpan out of 1/4" steel plate for example?
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You're right it would be very easy to put molten lead in a frame rail when the chassis is being built. My question is would it change the way the chassis would work? By work, I mean would it change how the chassis flexes? Once the molten lead hardens or cools off wouldn't it basically turn that lower frame rail into a solid piece of round steel instead of a tubular piece? Would that change how it works? Is this something that has been thought about that anyone knows?
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December 11, 2019 at
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Posted By: linbob on December 10 2019 at 02:53:13 PM
They make steel engine motorplate. Have also seen steel floorboard ,which I think is a good idea because it is low to the ground. Our car always is about 40 lbs heavy even though we watch our fuel level close. I sure wish I had the problem of being to lite. You have to find a driver about the size of a sixth grader.
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The drivers these days are smallish in stature, light weight in every component in a race car is beneficial and the driver is a component. I say lets get rid of power steering...I hear even micros have power steering these days.
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December 11, 2019 at
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Posted By: hardon on December 10 2019 at 11:50:42 PM
You're right it would be very easy to put molten lead in a frame rail when the chassis is being built. My question is would it change the way the chassis would work? By work, I mean would it change how the chassis flexes? Once the molten lead hardens or cools off wouldn't it basically turn that lower frame rail into a solid piece of round steel instead of a tubular piece? Would that change how it works? Is this something that has been thought about that anyone knows?
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To me it would make more sence to use things like steel heim ends. They are twice as strong as alum.. We had to addd a steel radius rod to left front with new rule in 2019. The driver seats we have to use now are twice as heavy as they used to be. I think they should get rid of the ultra lite rear axel shafts. These can break and take out other cars if one breaks. All of these add weight to car but WOO leaves min, weight the same. WHY??????
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December 12, 2019 at
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Posted By: comeon38 on December 08 2019 at 08:47:42 PM
I would love to see you sit in a car and try knock out one. Specially if it is an aluminum panel
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Well I've ripped off full late model doors with twice as many zues. You're just breaking the fasteners. I'm not punching through any metal .
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December 14, 2019 at
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Wing dirt cars cars aren't lower is better as far as ballast is concerned, wing sideforce carries some of the load.
Adding 25 lbs to weight rule is no big deal. Until Schatz lost weight he was over more than that.
25 lbs of titanium costs a "ton" of money though.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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