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September 24, 2019 at
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I love Bill V's stats because there are hard numbers to look at to evaluate and compare. They are very enlightening. I know on the rating website it explains the ratings are calculated using wins, money won, avg finish etc. My question for Bill is this, is there a factor given for strength of field? Is that the money part of the equation figuring bigger wins equal more money? In PA high school football uses a power ranking system. It takes into account not just a teams overall win/loss record but who they've played and the records of those opponents. If you have an unbeaten season but have played poor to mediocre teams all season, your power ranking will reflect it. The unbeaten team could have a lower power ranking than a team that has a few losses but has played better teams. You get the idea. I don't know if such a calcuation is even possible here and I'm not asking Bill to do any more than he already does but my point is regarding the Dietrich vs. Schuchart debate. Danny is having a great season and has gotten some results off the porch but let's face it, most of his stats are against a regular PA field. A win at Lincoln on a regular Saturday night isn't an Outlaw win. If wins and overall performance are weighted factoring in who else is in the field, my gut tells me Dietrich isn't in the top 5 and Logan is ranked higher.
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September 24, 2019 at
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I should have said other than the ones already listed Shatz, Gravel Sweet and Schueheart all would be the top dog if they ran Pa. weekly (even though Sweet still struggles) the rest combined would steuggle to have ten wins.
I DID NOT CONSIDER lARSON or Bell SINCE THEY DONT RUN ENOUGH.
To bad Bell now fulltime Nascar hope he still comes back once and awhile.
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September 24, 2019 at
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Posted By: amyjur on September 24 2019 at 12:01:19 PM
I love Bill V's stats because there are hard numbers to look at to evaluate and compare. They are very enlightening. I know on the rating website it explains the ratings are calculated using wins, money won, avg finish etc. My question for Bill is this, is there a factor given for strength of field? Is that the money part of the equation figuring bigger wins equal more money? In PA high school football uses a power ranking system. It takes into account not just a teams overall win/loss record but who they've played and the records of those opponents. If you have an unbeaten season but have played poor to mediocre teams all season, your power ranking will reflect it. The unbeaten team could have a lower power ranking than a team that has a few losses but has played better teams. You get the idea. I don't know if such a calcuation is even possible here and I'm not asking Bill to do any more than he already does but my point is regarding the Dietrich vs. Schuchart debate. Danny is having a great season and has gotten some results off the porch but let's face it, most of his stats are against a regular PA field. A win at Lincoln on a regular Saturday night isn't an Outlaw win. If wins and overall performance are weighted factoring in who else is in the field, my gut tells me Dietrich isn't in the top 5 and Logan is ranked higher.
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In short, I do factor in strengh of the field. I 'rate' each race, based on things like Purse, Car Count, and some calculations on strengh of the drivers at the race (with things like, average rating of all drivers at race, average rating of top 10 rated drivers, average rating of top 20 rated drivers, etc). You can look on my site at "Ratings -> 410 Races", for the top 'rated' races.
So using those 'race ratings', I factor that in with each of a drivers race result, to get a metric thats included in the overall ratings. So for example, a driver finishes 5th in a race thats rated 10th hardest, weighs more than when a driver finishes 5th in a race that could be ranked 100.
Of course there's a lot more math involved in everything, but I don;t want to bore you with details!! lol
Bill
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September 24, 2019 at
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Yeah so I gave my 5 of Larson, Bell, Schatz, Gio, Tk. And thats based off of pure talent. The "eye" test so to speak. Now if were going off of full time sprint car drivers with stats included, obviously that changes everything. And because threads like this are cool , here's my "other" top 5...
Schatz, Gravel, Reutzel, Sweet and because I love em both...Pittman and Schuchart tie for 5th. Sorry I cant decide.
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September 24, 2019 at
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Posted By: turn4guy on September 24 2019 at 03:46:38 PM
Yeah so I gave my 5 of Larson, Bell, Schatz, Gio, Tk. And thats based off of pure talent. The "eye" test so to speak. Now if were going off of full time sprint car drivers with stats included, obviously that changes everything. And because threads like this are cool , here's my "other" top 5...
Schatz, Gravel, Reutzel, Sweet and because I love em both...Pittman and Schuchart tie for 5th. Sorry I cant decide.
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Totally agree with your pure talent rankings. Spot on. I agree with your "other" top 5 too. Pittman has been more consistent than Logan but on the other hand, Logan has more wins and has been runner up in 2 of the 3 biggest races in the sport. One the 3rd and final one will be ran here a couple weekends from now so it'll be interesting to see if he can keep that up. A National Open win for that team would be huge.
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September 24, 2019 at
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Posted By: fiXXXer on September 24 2019 at 06:19:15 PM
Totally agree with your pure talent rankings. Spot on. I agree with your "other" top 5 too. Pittman has been more consistent than Logan but on the other hand, Logan has more wins and has been runner up in 2 of the 3 biggest races in the sport. One the 3rd and final one will be ran here a couple weekends from now so it'll be interesting to see if he can keep that up. A National Open win for that team would be huge.
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It would be so big for those guys. And Logan can definitely get that done. Same with Daryn. He could easily win that thing on Saturday IF he draws and times well.
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September 24, 2019 at
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I think Bell will be another Larson. Every chance he gets your going to see him in a midget or a sprint car somewhere. Nascrap is there job they go to daily because of the dollars. It isn't what they love to do.
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September 24, 2019 at
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To be honest, I thought this would be a thread about the top 5 of all time.
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1)Steve Kinser
2) Donny Schatz
3)Doug Wolfgang
4) Sammy Swindell
5) Anybody's guess / Wild card! / Wow, that's a toughie!
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September 24, 2019 at
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Posted By: amyjur on September 24 2019 at 12:01:19 PM
I love Bill V's stats because there are hard numbers to look at to evaluate and compare. They are very enlightening. I know on the rating website it explains the ratings are calculated using wins, money won, avg finish etc. My question for Bill is this, is there a factor given for strength of field? Is that the money part of the equation figuring bigger wins equal more money? In PA high school football uses a power ranking system. It takes into account not just a teams overall win/loss record but who they've played and the records of those opponents. If you have an unbeaten season but have played poor to mediocre teams all season, your power ranking will reflect it. The unbeaten team could have a lower power ranking than a team that has a few losses but has played better teams. You get the idea. I don't know if such a calcuation is even possible here and I'm not asking Bill to do any more than he already does but my point is regarding the Dietrich vs. Schuchart debate. Danny is having a great season and has gotten some results off the porch but let's face it, most of his stats are against a regular PA field. A win at Lincoln on a regular Saturday night isn't an Outlaw win. If wins and overall performance are weighted factoring in who else is in the field, my gut tells me Dietrich isn't in the top 5 and Logan is ranked higher.
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Exactly
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September 24, 2019 at
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Posted By: turn4guy on September 24 2019 at 12:29:44 AM
The best winged sprint car drivers in the country are....Larson, Bell, Schatz, Gio, T. Kaeding. In that order. That's my opinion on pure driving talent. Not fastest car or team.
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No doubt Bell is excellent. But "talent" is hard to prove. Gotta go by results....
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September 24, 2019 at
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Posted By: turn4guy on September 24 2019 at 03:54:38 AM
Nope. Middle of Posse Land
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I'm surprised, but thinking back, I should have known that from your past posts
& some people accuse Posse fans of being biased.... 
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September 24, 2019 at
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The best WINGED sprint car drivers in the country are Larson, Bell, Schatz, GIO, T. Kaeding and in that order? You is weally weally rong! That's just plain ignorant! Or just crazy. Or you are related to those five which would be incredible if you were.
Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL - NYC, Detroit, Chicago,
Seattle, LA Who the H runs those cities.
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Posted By: dirtraceorbust on September 24 2019 at 11:40:31 PM
The best WINGED sprint car drivers in the country are Larson, Bell, Schatz, GIO, T. Kaeding and in that order? You is weally weally rong! That's just plain ignorant! Or just crazy. Or you are related to those five which would be incredible if you were.
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Lol. Ignorant? Give me a break man. Let's here your top 5 then. And you cant start off with Steve, Sammy and Doug. They dont race anymore. 1987 is over.
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September 25, 2019 at
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Posted By: Murphy on September 24 2019 at 10:26:51 PM
To be honest, I thought this would be a thread about the top 5 of all time.
OK-
1)Steve Kinser
2) Donny Schatz
3)Doug Wolfgang
4) Sammy Swindell
5) Anybody's guess / Wild card! / Wow, that's a toughie!
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Don't try to Hi-Jack this thread, start your own. It would be a good topic ....
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September 25, 2019 at
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Posted By: dirtraceorbust on September 24 2019 at 11:40:31 PM
The best WINGED sprint car drivers in the country are Larson, Bell, Schatz, GIO, T. Kaeding and in that order? You is weally weally rong! That's just plain ignorant! Or just crazy. Or you are related to those five which would be incredible if you were.
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I think he cleared up if talking pure talent...............my top 5 is slightly different, but his opinion is a good argument. In my opinion, Larson, Schatz and TK have to be on this list as I think as far as raw talent goes, I can't keep them off.
If you're talking about the best driver/ride combos in the country, that's a different story----------which I still think Larson and Schatz land on that list as well.
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Posted By: El Wingador on September 25 2019 at 07:03:19 AM
Don't try to Hi-Jack this thread, start your own. It would be a good topic ....
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Wasn't my intention, but I see your point.
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September 25, 2019 at
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Murphy if you went all time i would agree with your four and five would be either Kenny Weld or Jan Opperman both could go anyehere in the country and win.
When I first starting thinking about this Tim Shaffer was clearly five before the end of the 49x,lets hope the #1 goes fulltime next year with Tim and Cody.
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Posted By: BillV99 on September 24 2019 at 03:10:12 PM
In short, I do factor in strengh of the field. I 'rate' each race, based on things like Purse, Car Count, and some calculations on strengh of the drivers at the race (with things like, average rating of all drivers at race, average rating of top 10 rated drivers, average rating of top 20 rated drivers, etc). You can look on my site at "Ratings -> 410 Races", for the top 'rated' races.
So using those 'race ratings', I factor that in with each of a drivers race result, to get a metric thats included in the overall ratings. So for example, a driver finishes 5th in a race thats rated 10th hardest, weighs more than when a driver finishes 5th in a race that could be ranked 100.
Of course there's a lot more math involved in everything, but I don;t want to bore you with details!! lol
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Thanks for the further clarification! I appreciate all you do.
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Posted By: turn4guy on September 24 2019 at 12:29:44 AM
The best winged sprint car drivers in the country are....Larson, Bell, Schatz, Gio, T. Kaeding. In that order. That's my opinion on pure driving talent. Not fastest car or team.
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Good thing your opinion doesn't count because the the first two are just part timers who ran for the nascar money. Look at the stats in history of WOO
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September 26, 2019 at
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Posted By: El Wingador on September 25 2019 at 07:03:19 AM
Don't try to Hi-Jack this thread, start your own. It would be a good topic ....
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I agree. Good list
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