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April 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: Runge28 on April 25 2018 at 07:04:54 AM
Don't ya think people that are new to the sport or follow it and don't know all the ins and outs of the point structure would have a very hard time following or understanding how the only winner of the year isn't leading the championship points.
Or like I said. Say your new to the sport and your first race was season championship night. Hypothetically speaking. Say Ball and Garner we're tied going into championship night. Garner won the race. But Ball wins the championship. Do you think a new fan was made? Or confused!?
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I believe a fan going to their 1st race will decide whether to come back based on how exciting the races were. Not on how points are awarded.
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April 26, 2018 at
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Awarding points for time trials is not good in my opinion because the track condition is not the same for everyone when they go out to qualify (esp. at the Nationals) when compared to racing. Passing points in heats is a way better form of lineing up features. Most of us are there to watch racing not 1 car that can run quick on his own earn as many points as someone who can win a race against 23 other drivers.
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April 26, 2018 at
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Posted By: TBSprintFan on April 26 2018 at 02:39:49 AM
Awarding points for time trials is not good in my opinion because the track condition is not the same for everyone when they go out to qualify (esp. at the Nationals) when compared to racing. Passing points in heats is a way better form of lineing up features. Most of us are there to watch racing not 1 car that can run quick on his own earn as many points as someone who can win a race against 23 other drivers.
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Yet somehow the cream always rises to the top at the Nationals.
System must be broken!
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April 26, 2018 at
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Posted By: Oppermanfan on April 25 2018 at 01:09:18 PM
I may be in the minority here but I could care less. I am in my 30th year of attending races at Knoxville and I have never understood the points and don't even care to learn. I just want to see a good race and somehow the points always work themselves out in the end. I know there isn't a perfect system so why bother complaining.
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Haa Haa, I'm with you Opp fan. I'm only in my 28th year of attending the Knoxville Raceway but I too could care a less about the point system, how they line them up in the pits, who makes how much money ect.... I just want to see good racing. I would like to see the car counts come up though. I miss the 15-20 car B-Mains.
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April 26, 2018 at
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Posted By: TBSprintFan on April 26 2018 at 02:39:49 AM
Awarding points for time trials is not good in my opinion because the track condition is not the same for everyone when they go out to qualify (esp. at the Nationals) when compared to racing. Passing points in heats is a way better form of lineing up features. Most of us are there to watch racing not 1 car that can run quick on his own earn as many points as someone who can win a race against 23 other drivers.
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So how would you line up the heats? I'm not arguing or trying to be a smartass.
Keep It Real
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April 26, 2018 at
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I don't have a dog in this fight cause I only go to Knoxville for Nationals, where the format works great.
But season ponts is different. It seems to me Feature winner should get the most points
As somebody said, no perfect format
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April 26, 2018 at
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For those of you comparing regular season points to the Nationals which is 200 for fast timer, 100 if you win the heat and 200 for the feature winner, and therefore the qualifying points is EQUAL as to how you finish in the main.
During the regular season, NONE of those are the same...again.
140 for fast time
20 for the heat win
200 for the feature
Just curious how the other tracks championship points are set up? The Grove, Port Royal, Eldora, ???
I've been going to Knoxville too for more than 30 years and have never thought, wow that guy got cheated out of his championship.
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April 26, 2018 at
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Posted By: YungWun24 on April 26 2018 at 01:53:26 PM
For those of you comparing regular season points to the Nationals which is 200 for fast timer, 100 if you win the heat and 200 for the feature winner, and therefore the qualifying points is EQUAL as to how you finish in the main.
During the regular season, NONE of those are the same...again.
140 for fast time
20 for the heat win
200 for the feature
Just curious how the other tracks championship points are set up? The Grove, Port Royal, Eldora, ???
I've been going to Knoxville too for more than 30 years and have never thought, wow that guy got cheated out of his championship.
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Already posted on this but I don't think people are saying it's the exact same as the Nationals format, but the same principle. The drivers have to race hard every time they're on the track because every position gained or loss is points going one way or the other. It's a great system.
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April 26, 2018 at
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Season champ should be decided by more than A main wins. I like Knoxvilles system.
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April 26, 2018 at
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Posted By: oswald on April 26 2018 at 04:55:11 PM
Season champ should be decided by more than A main wins. I like Knoxvilles system.
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Agreed. I don't think you can invert fairly to the best cars without awarding points for every time in the track. The fastest cars would be punished and the racing would be way less exciting.
In theory, if you had a class full of extreme parity and 10+ cars could win on any given night, then I think you could award A points only. In reality, that isn't the case.
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April 27, 2018 at
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Posted By: YungWun24 on April 26 2018 at 12:07:37 PM
So how would you line up the heats? I'm not arguing or trying to be a smartass.
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General Format:
- Passing Points will be used on all weekly, non-special events.
- Drivers draw at Pit booth for heat starting spot.
- Heats lined heads up from draw.
- Upon completion of heats, drivers will be assigned points for both finishing spot(Finishing Points) and for spots advanced from the start of the heat(Passing Points).
- Drivers will be ranked in order of the most Total Points. Total Points is the sum of Finishing Points and passing points.
- The driver with the most Total Points will lined up inside row one of the feature. Second in Total Points will line up outside row one. Third, inside row two and so on through the field.
- If Consis are necessary, the consis will be lined up the same way as the feature with the pole car being the driver with the most total points who does not make the feature cut off.
- Consis and Feature finish are NOT subject to passing points. Consi finish will be used heads up to determine drivers transferring to feature. Feature finish is heads up to determine winner and monies won.
Passing Points Details:
- Finishing Points(FP)
- Drivers receive FP based on their finishing order in their heat race. Heat winner receives 59 points. Second, receives 55. Third receives 51. And so on with a 4 point difference per position.
- Passing Points(PP)
- Drivers receive PP based on how many spots they advance during their heat. Drivers receive 1.76 points per spot advanced from starting position to finishing position.
- PP are awarded ONLY for total spots advanced. PP are not awarded for every pass made(ie – passing a car dropping back then passing a car again will not award multiple PP)
- Starting position is determined at the green flag(and only initial green flag) and is not necessarily the same as the posted lineup.(ie – a car scheduled to start on the pole of a heat not making the call, would not automatically mean all other cars get 1.76 PP. It would result is a resetting of the field)
- A driver electing to take the tail or a spot other than his assigned starting spot will not be eligible for PP. This is to prevent a “fast car” in a “weak heat” from taking the tail and abusing the system. They still will receive the appropriate FP for their finishing spot. The same will go for a driver who does not draw for a heat spot.
- Total Points(TP)
- TP are the sum of a driver’s PP and FP.
- After the heats, all drivers from all heats are combined into one group and sorted by TP to determine feature(and consi if necessary) lineup.
Passing Points Chart:
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Finish |
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2 |
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59 |
55 |
51 |
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31 |
27 |
23 |
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60.76 |
55 |
51 |
47 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
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| 3 |
62.52 |
56.76 |
51 |
47 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
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| 4 |
64.28 |
58.52 |
52.76 |
47 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
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| 5 |
66.04 |
60.28 |
54.52 |
48.76 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
15 |
| 6 |
67.80 |
62.04 |
56.28 |
50.52 |
44.76 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
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| 7 |
69.56 |
63.80 |
58.04 |
52.28 |
46.52 |
40.76 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
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| 8 |
71.32 |
65.56 |
59.80 |
54.04 |
48.28 |
42.52 |
36.76 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
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| 9 |
73.08 |
67.32 |
61.56 |
55.80 |
50.04 |
44.28 |
38.52 |
32.76 |
27 |
23 |
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| 10 |
74.84 |
69.08 |
63.32 |
57.56 |
51.80 |
46.04 |
40.28 |
34.52 |
28.76 |
23 |
19 |
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76.60 |
70.84 |
65.08 |
59.32 |
53.56 |
47.80 |
42.04 |
36.28 |
30.52 |
24.76 |
19 |
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78.36 |
72.60 |
66.84 |
61.08 |
55.32 |
49.56 |
43.80 |
38.04 |
32.28 |
26.52 |
20.76 |
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April 27, 2018 at
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Posted By: TBSprintFan on April 27 2018 at 02:41:37 AM
General Format:
- Passing Points will be used on all weekly, non-special events.
- Drivers draw at Pit booth for heat starting spot.
- Heats lined heads up from draw.
- Upon completion of heats, drivers will be assigned points for both finishing spot(Finishing Points) and for spots advanced from the start of the heat(Passing Points).
- Drivers will be ranked in order of the most Total Points. Total Points is the sum of Finishing Points and passing points.
- The driver with the most Total Points will lined up inside row one of the feature. Second in Total Points will line up outside row one. Third, inside row two and so on through the field.
- If Consis are necessary, the consis will be lined up the same way as the feature with the pole car being the driver with the most total points who does not make the feature cut off.
- Consis and Feature finish are NOT subject to passing points. Consi finish will be used heads up to determine drivers transferring to feature. Feature finish is heads up to determine winner and monies won.
Passing Points Details:
- Finishing Points(FP)
- Drivers receive FP based on their finishing order in their heat race. Heat winner receives 59 points. Second, receives 55. Third receives 51. And so on with a 4 point difference per position.
- Passing Points(PP)
- Drivers receive PP based on how many spots they advance during their heat. Drivers receive 1.76 points per spot advanced from starting position to finishing position.
- PP are awarded ONLY for total spots advanced. PP are not awarded for every pass made(ie – passing a car dropping back then passing a car again will not award multiple PP)
- Starting position is determined at the green flag(and only initial green flag) and is not necessarily the same as the posted lineup.(ie – a car scheduled to start on the pole of a heat not making the call, would not automatically mean all other cars get 1.76 PP. It would result is a resetting of the field)
- A driver electing to take the tail or a spot other than his assigned starting spot will not be eligible for PP. This is to prevent a “fast car” in a “weak heat” from taking the tail and abusing the system. They still will receive the appropriate FP for their finishing spot. The same will go for a driver who does not draw for a heat spot.
- Total Points(TP)
- TP are the sum of a driver’s PP and FP.
- After the heats, all drivers from all heats are combined into one group and sorted by TP to determine feature(and consi if necessary) lineup.
Passing Points Chart:
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59 |
55 |
51 |
47 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
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60.76 |
55 |
51 |
47 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
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62.52 |
56.76 |
51 |
47 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
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| 4 |
64.28 |
58.52 |
52.76 |
47 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
15 |
| 5 |
66.04 |
60.28 |
54.52 |
48.76 |
43 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
15 |
| 6 |
67.80 |
62.04 |
56.28 |
50.52 |
44.76 |
39 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
15 |
| 7 |
69.56 |
63.80 |
58.04 |
52.28 |
46.52 |
40.76 |
35 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
15 |
| 8 |
71.32 |
65.56 |
59.80 |
54.04 |
48.28 |
42.52 |
36.76 |
31 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
15 |
| 9 |
73.08 |
67.32 |
61.56 |
55.80 |
50.04 |
44.28 |
38.52 |
32.76 |
27 |
23 |
19 |
15 |
| 10 |
74.84 |
69.08 |
63.32 |
57.56 |
51.80 |
46.04 |
40.28 |
34.52 |
28.76 |
23 |
19 |
15 |
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76.60 |
70.84 |
65.08 |
59.32 |
53.56 |
47.80 |
42.04 |
36.28 |
30.52 |
24.76 |
19 |
15 |
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78.36 |
72.60 |
66.84 |
61.08 |
55.32 |
49.56 |
43.80 |
38.04 |
32.28 |
26.52 |
20.76 |
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Yeah dude it’s called ASCS 360 racing if that’s what you’re looking for. For as long as I can remember Knoxville has always done Time Trials with the 410’s. The 360’s and 305’s switched to the same format as the 410’s not to long ago and I think it works out just fine for them. It’s especiallu gotta be easier for the track when all 3 classes are using the same format for not only the points but the invert as well.
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