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I should add, not sure how they can test blood on the fly like that and I can't see how a swab can catch the blood level.

Maybe I'm way off base but that's the only way I can see it working.  Some rapid blood deal.

This has nothing to do with government or socialism. WoO is a private corporation creating its own rules. Nor does the cost of racing have anything to do with socialism. Its too expensive for many, under the existing capitalist system.

You could even argue that Communist Chinese made xxx chassis makes the sport more affordable (but I won't!)

But the punch line is that your post doesn't even make it clear if you favor or oppose drug testing.....

"WoO is a private corporation"  well said.  As a PC they can add/change rules as they see fit.  Just like states where MMJ is legal, private corporations can and will not hire you if you test positive for MJ  within 30 days if those are their rules in place.  The polical comment is just dumb.  

I may be off base but I don't see anyway it's a blood test.  So much more complicated than a simple urine test.  Not only from a drawing blood perspective, but also handling, etc. 

You also mentioned hold back a race waiting for a driver to take a piss.  This won't happen, the test would be prior to the evening's race, like say during pill draw, before engine heat, etc.  It won't be a "between race" sort of thing (unless they have suspiscion to believe something is going on).  Nothing's perfect but you do the best you can with the scenario presented.   

I totally agree Nickules, just saying the only way to really check to see if someone is "high" within 2-5 hours (before or during a race) is a blood test.  The logistics that go along with this are a nightmare.  The only logical route is to ban it all together with a simple urine test which still requires a lab to confirm, not to mention the false positives if you are not doing it in a controlled environment.  It just isn't the same as a breathalyzer which they should do as well.  So if this is the case, a driver could test positive 28-30 (depends) days after smoking or eating mj before the season even starts.  To make things more fun what if a driver has a pre-existing condition in which he/she is using mmj but not in the typical sense.  Many people use CBD oil, a derivative of MMJ, that does have a trace of THC in it but by no means gets you "high", not in the very least.  People with cancer, crohn's disease and epilepsy as well as others use CBD.  Granted 2 of those 3 examples you prob won't see racing but it could happen and I wonder if those with be able to be exempt or what the rule is for traces of THC.  I don't smoke mj, however my daughter does use CBD oil for use of epilepsy, after exhausting all medications and with the seizures at 150 a day made the move to CO from the midwest and started using CBD oil cut that to 1-2 maybe every two weeks, thus the reason I know a touch about this stuff.  

ust wondering how to other motorsports handle this?

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Why would one idiot under the influence causing a death be  the end of racing? 

Because it only takes 1 idiot to cause a wrongful death lawsuit which makes insurance rates too high for local tracks to pay for.

Back to the Topic:  Why is Random Drug Testing for drivers an issue for ANYONE on Hoseheads forum?  Unless you are a driver this has ZERO effect on you.

God for bid we talk about rule changes for the WOO on a sprint car racing forum....

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, as others have said, we haven't really seen any issues with this in the past so is there a problem? I'm not sure. On the other hand, I do think that we can all agree that it would be terrible for our sport if someone who is racing impaired caused an accident that cause serious injuries or cost someone their life. These cars are dangerous enough as it is and all it takes is once. I'm just going to take a wait and see approach before I form an opinion. If the drivers are all for it, then I guess I will be too because ultimately, they're the ones who are directly affected by it.

Agreed! I understand the point that drivers shouldn't be high or drunk and putting other drivers at risk in an already dangerous sport. However, I honestly don't believe this is a problem in this day and age. Pot's completely legal in what 8 states now? around 30 for medical use? IDK, I'm generally against anything that violates people's privacy. No victim no crime.

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before i reply facebookstalker i have a couple questions....1. does your insurance pay for cbd oil. 2. should someone who uses cbd oil be able to drive? 3. should someone who uses cbd oil have the right to hold a job, hold office, be a teacher?  Should your daughters right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness end where someone elses belief system begins?  My personal belief is she is entitled to do anything she is capable of accomplishing.  My personal belief is her rights don't end where small minds fall short.  Im gonna tell you why its socialism and how big pharma, lobbyist, government, prison/police unions, insurance companies, testing companies, all need each other and a piece of your god given rights to survive.  Its gonna take a little bit to condense it down.  

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

what did the report say the nanogram per milliliter was?  carnie lifestyles of old??? Other pro sports???  Racing is the only "pro sport" anyone can go do if they have the money to field a car.  If i'm rich and want to race with the WoO i can go do it.  might suck but i can go do it.  no amount of money can get me on an nfl/nba/mlb roster and in the lineup.  Espn spent a whole day on medical cannabis.  Their poll as well as any respected news says over 50% of America now wants cannabis legalized.....  the age demographic 18-40  polls showed almost 80% want to legalize.  We are talking full legalization not just medicinal.  8 states are legal with close to 30 medicinal now.  What you need to realize now is you are the minority and that minority you are in is going to keep getting smaller as older generations punch out.  you are simply out of touch with old school/ new school.  tidbit for thought

school teachers- no randoms - around your children all day

police- no randoms  -union says unconstitutional

99% of drivers on any road in america- no randoms

sporting officals- no randoms

your dr. doing your major surgery- no randoms

your nurse- no randoms

Mine was a rhetorical question.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

So you're advocating that it's acceptable for people in those, or other professions to be under the influence while performing their duties?

"out of touch". "old school/new school". "as older generations punch out". 

Seems as if you find it acceptable for people to be numb and "punch out" while they're yet alive and responsible for the education of my kids, treating patients, protecting citizens, driving home, or any other profession/activity. 

Very sad. 

um.... u missed the point that those professions dont get tested but society finds it unacceptable that a football/baseball player, racers, tennis players don't get tested. seems odd we are arguing about a sprint car driver getting tested but not someone who spends 8 hrs a day with kids or someone trusted to carry a gun.  are we talking about impairment behind the wheel or you just don't believe someone has the right to use a plant?????  i dont want anyone drunk/high behind the wheel. but in a free country my rights dont end where your belief system begins 

um...and perhaps you could state your point more clearly and without marginalizing anyone who is older than you or doesn't hold the same belief as you. 

I'm all for drug testing someone who spends 8 hours a day with my kids or someone trusted to carry a gun (but that's not the topic of this thread or theme of this forum). Are you?

I can't speak for anyone of the other professions on your list but you are wrong about nurses. I am a 14 year nurse and can verify, first hand, that we get random UDS and a positive usually results in a visit to the state board disciplinary for a hearing. 

There is no replacement for cubic displacement 

im sure it varies state to state. etc...  my best friends wife is a nurse and she claims she hast been tested since she got hired in the late 90s.   said they only test on suspicion or if they get dui or possession/drug charge. then its some state program of strict testing but have to be a multiple offender or it be really serious to get fired. congrats on being a nurse its a very honorable profession. i was around the healthcare business at one time and there are many dr.s that are aholes to nurses even when they are working hard