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You need to understand that Knoxville is an oasis of sprint car racing in the state of Iowa that is ruled by late models and mods.  As said earlier Iowa State Fairgrounds has always been fendered country.

By running sprints on those two tracks on consecutive nights that close would only drain fans from Knoxville and gain you zero cars. The people here on the forums would probably go both nights, but the average fan would choose one or the other.

Knoxville needs to add IRA and MOWA challange races on the schedule and pay dual purses like Angell Park WoO/IRA show did.  If you are an IRA regular and you run 8th in the Knoxville feature, but you are the top IRA car you get the normal first place winnings/points that an IRA race pays if that is greater.

You need to understand that Knoxville is an oasis of sprint car racing in the state of Iowa that is ruled by late models and mods.  As said earlier Iowa State Fairgrounds has always been fendered country.

By running sprints on those two tracks on consecutive nights that close would only drain fans from Knoxville and gain you zero cars. The people here on the forums would probably go both nights, but the average fan would choose one or the other.

Knoxville needs to add IRA and MOWA challange races on the schedule and pay dual purses like Angell Park WoO/IRA show did.  If you are an IRA regular and you run 8th in the Knoxville feature, but you are the top IRA car you get the normal first place winnings/points that an IRA race pays if that is greater.

Why does Jackson need to shorten their track? Ive been a couple times this year including the Outlaw show and the racing was great. 

ISF may be stock car crazy but the two times the NSL has been there the crowd was good, and the first time the NSL was there the crowd was amazing. 

I agree it would be nice to have the (3) tracks in the upper midwest work together, which has been mentioned a 100 times over, but unless 3 of the 3 players are all playing nice it won't happen. I won't support anyone, whether they own a race track, a local business, or sponsored by any brand, that says FU to the world. 

So I'll support the tracks in Iowa as much as a I can and venture out as the padding in my pocketbook allows. I feel confident that Kendra and the Knoxville TEAM will produce a quality event week in and week out. In the end maybe Knoxville will start seeing more of the Billy Alleys, or some MO, NE, IL drivers when the MOWA is off. 

I Like your "Keep It Real" tag line. Before you get too much farther I would like to keep it real for you, check this out http://trophypursuit.com/team.html  I have nothing against the guys at Knoxville and I firmly believe the Dunkin's are #1 in the world on dirt tracks, but there is a connection between the owner of Jackson and the operators at Knoxville. I just want to "Keep It Real" for you!

Whats your point? This could be anyone at Badlands too if they got along and also established a connection like Knoxville has.... I see nothing wrong here, no foul play. This is business. You make friends and try and help each other out that benefits boths sides. Or you can be like Chuck cut all ties and cry foul like you are here because you don't have friends that offer perks that help out both sides. He just wants all of the benefits for himself. You must just be upset about the track prep at Badlands or something cause man this is a stretch.

Keep It Real

I Like your "Keep It Real" tag line. Before you get too much farther I would like to keep it real for you, check this out http://trophypursuit.com/team.html  I have nothing against the guys at Knoxville and I firmly believe the Dunkin's are #1 in the world on dirt tracks, but there is a connection between the owner of Jackson and the operators at Knoxville. I just want to "Keep It Real" for you!

There must be more than one Chris Dunkin (possibly several!?) ... 'cause the Chris Dunkin in the pictures on the trophy pursuit website is NOT the Chris Dunkin that heads up the track prep team at Knoxville.  The youtube video Knoxville did about track prep has the 'Knoxville Chris Dunkin' in it at various points:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL-dVvdqbGo

Do you have any more conspiracy therories?  lol

You need to understand that Knoxville is an oasis of sprint car racing in the state of Iowa that is ruled by late models and mods.  As said earlier Iowa State Fairgrounds has always been fendered country.

By running sprints on those two tracks on consecutive nights that close would only drain fans from Knoxville and gain you zero cars. The people here on the forums would probably go both nights, but the average fan would choose one or the other.

Knoxville needs to add IRA and MOWA challange races on the schedule and pay dual purses like Angell Park WoO/IRA show did.  If you are an IRA regular and you run 8th in the Knoxville feature, but you are the top IRA car you get the normal first place winnings/points that an IRA race pays if that is greater.

This sounds good but IRA vs Knoxville isn't going to happen again and MOWA VS Knoxville won't ever happen either. How many IRA or MOWA guys came to race at the nationals? I can't come up with any other than Balog who is more of a true outlaw and Mike Reinke who ran Knoxville periodically. These guys from those series don't like running the big 1/2 at Knoxville. It takes money and motor and these guys want to be competitive. Their entire series is mostly geared around the shorter tracks and a little less stiff competition. That is also why their series suceeds and has good car counts because entry level working people can run that series and be successful.

I doubt that Tod Quiring will go back on his agreement with Knoxville about Saturday night scheduling. So next year I doubt we will see much change. Knoxville amd Jackson can do just fine on Friday and Saturday nights and could work out an incentive between them to help promote each other. It will probably take a couple years for things to settle down and for the current drivers involved to decide where they want to race. The key is who chooses Knoxville and who chooses Badlands. If the top drivers between Knoxville and Badlands remains split as it is now, then both tracks will need to work hard to bring in additional teams. Otherwise both will struggle. I think Knoxville has the better chance of attracting better talent. Badlands will continue to attract the ND drivers, but the pool of talent there is pretty slim. Jackson on the otherhand running on Friday night, has the opportunity to attract the entire field of top drivers from the area, if the purse is right. Jackson has never drawn much from ND and vice versa so that is not an issue. It's a stretch to even discuss, but the Des Moines Fairground track would be a great venue for a Sunday night weekly event. With well over a million people in the Des Moines area and a huge pool of potential sponsors, a lot of good things could happen. The track size and design would need attention for sure.  A "trifecta" between Knoxville, Des Moines and Jackson could really make things happen and attract a good number of teams and drivers to the midwest. If we could only see the future!

I can see your perspective but wasn't trying to imply that, just that things seem to work out better when tracks are working together vs against. 

But I know people in the SF area are excited and should be. 

Maybe I missed this earlier but Gene Simmons has a stake in this? 

Not Gene Simmons.  At the press conference last fall, Chuck said one of the members of KISS was an investor.   Trouble is, I don't remember if he said it was Peter Criss or Paul Stanley.

Maybe some of the examples you just shared are why some teams chose badlands over Knoxville this first year alread?? .  Money. Motors. Half miles. 

I'll take my 1/2 mile over your wanna be 3/8ths any day. Everyones got a 3/8ths, everyone can run a 3/8ths, everyone wants to kill off the 1/2 miles cause they are expensive and dangerous. The racing surface at Knoxville is the most consistant surface over any track I have ever been to. The racing this year has been excellent. The speed is just awesome. Only certain people can run halfs I will admit and I like to visit different tracks but I am always excited to get back to Knoxville each week. Nationals = 100+ 410 cars, Gold Cup = (>26 410 cars. Chose Badlands over Knoxville, ehhh don't think so and the guys you did steal really didn't have much of a "choice".

Also, I am not convinced shorter tracks are any easier on motors. Yes, it may take a better overall motor to run a big track to be fast but short tracks may actually be harder on the overall life of the motor due to the gearing which winds the piss out of the engine. Justin Henderson had quite a few DNFs up there this year. More than he had at Knoxville the year before. But then again maybe he isn't getting the best outta Newton with his "choice" to run at Badlands. - This is just an observation I have no facts or knowledge about this but it seems quite odd. He couldnt even round up a motor for Friday night of the nationals.

And the reason that it is ruled by lated models and mods is that there are aroune 12 tracks running late models, and 40 running mods. 

Why would it be an issue to have more 410 tracks?  Why can't we get more 410 teams and cars to fill these races?  They do it in Pennsylvania and Ohio, and their tracks are a heck of a lot closer. 

The reason 410 racing is so much better now is that Quiring created a series that works, and then Brennan decided to run a boatload of 410 races at Badlands. 

Why do we have to protect KNoxville and their shows by not running at the ISF or Badlands or other tracks.  If anything, Knoxville should encourage this.  More fans and more cars are going to make the Knoxville Nationals bigger and better, and that is the engine that drives Knoxville.  The Nationals are everything to that track financially, and if there is a way to improve attendance and car count, they should be advocating it for the betterment of their bottom line.