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What question? It was six lines of accusations preceded by a title accusing Silver Dollar officials of cheating for Sean Becker.

The only thing I see missing is ??????   Why Why Why.

My question who's transponder was Becker using ? If it was their's did they replace. If it was the tracks then did he get a different one? Not much to fix on one on a sprint car. Battery charged and on the front tube where the Radius Rods mount. The only problem might be mud over the transponder.

It's pure whining and crybaby shit on this board for this thread from three different people who ought to know the race is won on the track. Is the fix to take away Becker's win and give it to Golobic because Becker's transponder didn't work when he didn't miss his spot qualifying?

Ironically, the same rulebook they are quoting has wording near the quoted parts which they conveniently left out

QUALIFYING
1. Competitors will be allowed to draw a qualifying number until wheel pack begins; at that time
any car that has not drawn a number will be place at the end of the order. If you arrive late for
the draw you will be placed at the front or rear of the qualifying order or be penalized one lap,
whichever would keep from giving the late car an unwarranted competitive advantage.
2. Qualifying will be two-laps, back-to-back, with the first car out receiving a courtesy lap.
3. Once any car trips the timing light twice, he will be done whether he completes the laps or not.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE WILL BE IN THE EVENT OF A MALFUNCTION WITH
THE TIMING EQUIPMENT/ TRANSPONDER OR IF A CAR WAS INTERFERING WITH
ANOTHER CAR’S QUALIFYING RUN.
4. Any car that misses a lap, and is being given another legal attempt, will be sent back out as
close as possible to their original spot,
not at the end.
5. Any car that, in the opinion of the track officials, pushes off for qualifying and fails to fire until he
passes the flag stand in an attempt to receive an extra momentum lap, will receive a checkered
flag after his first lap on the clock.
6. Any car that has a mechanical problem, either before or during his qualifying run, will have two
car positions to have it fixed without being penalized if he has not started BOTH laps.
7. Any car that cannot make their qualifying run will be placed in the back of a heat or the back of a
consolation race as DNQ, A maximum of 48 cars will start heat races. If you miss you’re
qualifying position by more than 2 cars you will be given one lap at the end and regardless of
time you will be positioned no better than 9th in the “A” main and will start the heat lined up
behind the inversion. (No penalty in the semi-main, you will receive time recorded).
8. If you miss you’re qualifying position by more than 2 cars you will be given one lap at the end
and regardless of time you will be positioned no better than 9th in the “A” main . (No penalty in the
semi-main, you will receive time recorded).

In the end, Becker did nothing wrong. He got his transponder fixed and came back out. If memory serves through the beer, he was not nearly at the end either. Rules were followed. Most likely someone cried about it so they put Becker after the inversion as a lollipop for the whining. Becker then went out and still made the dash and still won. I have a guess as to who had tears flowing as well in the pits after reading this thread. Waiting until after the cars are in their traliers to put a damper on a great driving job by Becker and shine a light on Silver Dollar and accusing them of wrongdoing by starting this thread on Hoseheads certainly isn't very sporting, especially from laudarevsonhunt, car owner, DHowe (Chad Kneeshaw) family, and Buzz, representing Ocean Speedway (whose promoter, owner of Civil War and KWS and who also schedules races at Silver Dollar speedway with his own groups multiple times per year) all arguing against Sean Becker because their guy got beat on the track.

The fact that you continue to see this as a me or anyone else vs. Sean Becker winning issue or that there is a suggestion Becker or the Menne team did anything wrong further proves your failure to understand the context of this thread. If Sean did nothing wrong and was within the rules, why penalize him at all? Rules are in place to ensure fairness to ALL drivers, not just a driver who comes in 2nd place or car owners or crew that complain during an event. If tracks are going to flip flop their rules then whats the point of having a rules book? I have never heard of a driver being penalized for his qualifying time, then being allowed to keep that time when he transfered into the main event. Unheard of. No need for speculative lollipops in this sport either. That is shoddy officiating at its finest. Either penalize him according to the rules if deserved or dont penalize him at all, according to the rules. The rest of your rant directed towards me or anyone in the pits is unfounded blathering innuendo that i wont comment on except to say that as a fan of the sport (and Sean Becker and DJ Netto and Brad Bumgarner etc) and one who wants to see it continue to grow, i stand firm that officials need to make unbiased decisions by the tracks/series own rules book, and this does not appear to be what happened Sat night. 

Atta boy. I would stop commenting if I were you as well. It doesn't look good on Shane, who is completely innocent in all of this rhetoric and propaganda directed towards those at Silver Dollar Speedway. He's as classy and humble as they come, something his fans and those closest to him should take notice of.

so why was becker penalised if the incident fell under a timing error? seems to me then becker should be the one upset that the track handed down an unwarrented penalty. so there is just another agument that the track screwed up. i would have no problem if the track would have given him the benefit of the doubt from the beginning.....but it seems they didn't. they felt he deserved a penalty...per the rules. anyway the line you are refering to that talks about timing/transponder malfunction is describing the exception to when the qualifying is official. once the car trips the timing twice they will be done...except if there is a timing malfunction. line 8 that says you will be penalised if you miss your spot doesn't give an exception if the reason was because of a malfunction to the transponder. also when you use your own transponder you are responsible for it working.

again, the penalty was assessed it seems based on missing the qualifying spot.

my issue is not about becker winning or beating shane...i could care less. as a matter of fact the golobics will tell you i am the first to speak up and tell them i disagree with them or i don't share an opinion that favors shane. i don't take their side or agree with them just as often as i do agree with them. this is not about shane or becker.

so you can choose to play name games all you want but it just goes to show you are just ignoring the fact that the track didn't follow their own procedures in any way in addressing the situation. if there was a timing malfunction then the track gave becker a heat race penalty when they shouldn't have and if there was no malfunction then they didn't follow their own rules dealing with the penalty in the dash and main event.

to indy and beyond!!

HAHA, as I expected from you. Just becuase you think you know who i am doesnt mean you know anything about me. I say what i say as a fan of the sport, not a representative of anyone but myself. I will always call it like i see it, even if it pisses people like you off, so get use to it. If you have a problem with that, oops, i dont care. 

The one question we do have answered is Floyd's ability to understand.

What about Copeland who didn't make the dash & started the main 13th

because they gave Becker his time back was it fair to him?

Yes, you care about Becker beating Shane. All three of you do. If it was Herman Klein, this thread wouldn't exist. What about the part where Becker says he doesn't give a shit where he starts yet still transfers out of his heat? Why does someone have to be blamed for anything going wrong? His transponder didn't work the first time he went out onto the track. They fixed it and he came out and was second fast. The fact he started third row is most likely because someone whined about it in the pits so they addressed it right then and there to avoid any controversy except they didn't know the law firm of Lauda, Buzzy and Chad were on the case on Hoseheads. Why don't you call for an investigation? See how far that gets you. The blatant homerism has to be commended I guess, but damn, you guys are a bunch of Yentas at this point.

your suggesting that my opinion has anything to do with blindly supporting shane just because it is shane shows you don't have any idea what you are talking about and are just trying to aggravate and stir the pot.

if you were to try to run that argument by the golobics to their face they would be the first to tell you to your face you are full of shit.

let me be the second.

to indy and beyond!!

If I cared about Becker beating Shane why did he have my motor in his car (#35 Monhoff) when he

won the biggest race (money wise 15,000) of his career? I just want fairness.

he can't validly argue or defend the main issue of why the track did what they did. so he tries to make it about other issues.

floyd could care less about fairness.

to indy and beyond!!

Did not plan to comment and not that my opinion matters but... laudarevsonhunt is a Becker fan Floyd. JMO. Pretty dam sure of this statement.

You're a truly clueless moron. It's obvious that it's you who doesn't get it jackass. 

By the way I had to look up what in the hell "yentas" meant because I don't speak yiddish nor do I know anyone who does, especially at dirt tracks. You sound like some whiney, nagging, harpy old broad. 

Cheers!

I think the point here has nothing to do at all with the drivers, fans, car owners or anything other that, are the rules a moving target or not? It takes nothing away from a drivers accomplishment that weekend, it does however make car owners think about entering a race run by officials that make rules up as they go. The race is in the books, and results cannot be changed at this point, but what can be changed is the view people have towards the officiating that appers to have taken place! I for one would like to know if there is a rule that shows that they can take away a penaly, after they hand one out just because. And we are all human, and a mistake can certainly take place, but can somebody say they made a mistake, or again will we see rules flexed in a situation like this?