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There were yellows on laps, 6, 12, 12 again, 21 & 25. Your saying under those 5 yellows they ran 53 laps?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYoDCp5Nf2o

Yes,  the lap count starts once the first car is pushed.  Not once the race starts.  

thanks again.

now what about the main event line up?

to indy and beyond!!

So with Becker.  He went out for qualifying in his spot but his transponder wasn't hitting so he came back around to the lane and fixed it and went back out.  He then qualified 2nd. But because of that they said that he has to start behind the inversion in his heat but if he transfered he would get his time back.  Since the invert was 4 he started 5th.  They were transfering 4 to the main from each heat with the heat winner and the next 5 fastest going to the dash.  Since Becker finished 4th in his heat he got his time back.  Because he qualified 2nd that put him into the dash. 

Why would the guy be penalized at all if his transponder was not working during his first qual laps?  Would seem like a track problem and he shouldn't have been penalized at all?  Unless at this track you have to bring your own transponder which seems absurd to me.

Perhaps someone who was there can verify that Becker did go out once in his real time spot then back out later.  Would have to think they would announce that during time trials and fans who were there can confirm it.

So they made up a new rule on the spot.

how many spots did he miss his spot by? was he the only car to have transponder problems? it is your responsibility to make sure your transponder is working. if there is a problem with more than one car due to issue at the track that is different.

rules say if you miss your qualifying spot by more than 2 you can't be in re-draw. so why was he allowed in the dash draw?

i have no dog in the fight....just tired of wishy-washy things happening at tracks.

to indy and beyond!!

You're arguing with three Shane Golobic fans.

so you are saying the rules don't matter depending on who you favor?

it shouldn't matter who was involved.

to indy and beyond!!

how did 2nd quick race in 1st heat ?

if you miss your qualifying spot the best you can start a heat is the first car out of the invert. with a 4 invert in the heats that would be 5th in the first heat.

well that is at least my understanding.

so they penalised him for missing his spot....then redacted the penalty.

if it wasn't his fault then he should have had no penalty. if they would have said he tried to qualify on time and had a transponder problem that they felt wasn't his fault and he was gotten back out as soon as possible and there was no foul then they might have an argument i might be able to understand.

but they thought he was at fault enough to rule a penalty. either they thought he was at fault enough to penalise or they didn't. you can't have it both ways.

i have seen drivers have problems with their transponders in qualifying that were working in hot laps and given the chance to qualify again in the most timely fashion possible and then not get penalised because the track gave them the benefit of the doubt on who was at fault.

but once you penalise someone....you can't just take it away.

or penalise them after you say you won't.

to indy and beyond!!

Maybe the title should read "Sore losers can't except defeat". 

I can't honestly believe what I am reading......

To be honest, Sean's first "initial" lap looked to be the best lap......

HE WAS EASILY THE FASTEST CAR THE LAST HALF OF THE RACE....

THIS TOPIC IS OVER.....

The older I get, the faster I used to be.

ever hear the saying "rules are rules"?

it doesn't matter how fast he was.

they penalised him and took away his time and made him start behind the invert in the heat. so now he isn't second fast time anymore. he is the first car behind the invert. he can get his time back from transfering from the heat...but that time is the first car behind the invert or the first car behind the dash if a dash is run bedcause his official qualifying time was altered to be the first car behind the invert. with 5 heats and a 4 invert in the heats that would mean his official time would have to be adjusted to 20th to put him the first car behind the invert.

so if he transfered out of the heat and got his time back it should have been 20th time..not second. but the rules do allow for a person to be placed as the first car behind the main event invert. the rules don't allow a person to be a part of the re-draw if they have been penalised in the heat.

just looking at this from the outside they screwed this up seven ways to sunday. they did everything wrong that could be done.

no doubt becker was fast. i don't think anyone is blaming him. that is not the issue. the issue is consistant rules enforcement.

when you are satified with qustionable officiating when it suits your purpose or benefits your guy...then be prepared to be satified when it doesn't.

to indy and beyond!!

sorry his time would have had to be 21st to be first car behind heat invert with 5 heats and 4 heat invert. still that doesn't change my point. i just can't do math!

to indy and beyond!!

To fix this problem they should have given the Becker team 2 minutes to fix the problem and stop qualifying. Doing what they did will always cause problems and comments.

I'm saying it's pointless to argue with a car owner for Shane Golobic, a rep from the track he's leading points at and Chad Kneeshaw, a guy who is probably wearing a Golobox shirt to bed at night. Completely pointless. The great thing about this thread is no one who was actually driving the cars involved have joined in. The race is over.

Nobody's arguing we are just trying to understand the rules. How fair was it for the other drivers in heat #1 who now

have to race first second and sixth quick? They changed the rules for the home town boy are you saying the didn't?

I've only stated facts and asked the sames questions, sorry that bothers you so. Arguing who won the race is pointless, but questions should be asked if a time scoring penalty of any kind was necessary at all, what lead up to determining who was in the dash, and why an open red was necessary, which other teams on the track also questioned. If rules are not enforced consistently per the rule book, then why have a rule book at all? Officials should be held accountable for their decisions, which is independent of what driver(s) those adhoc decisions benefit. If you are to jaded to comprehend the issues this post is attempting to discuss, then this thread obviously isn't for you.  

It's highly unlikely had Brad Bumgarner finished second this thread would be here.

There's no doubting sour grapes on our part because our boy didn't win, but that doesn't nullify the validity of the original question. Which has yet to be answered.