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October 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: Milt on October 21 2013 at 06:48:40 PM
That is so thoughtful of you and the FAST series swamp.
You do this to get the fans and drivers together? So I am SURE you let them attend for free....right?
This is the exact kind of bullsh!t I would expect from you swampy, don't try to sugarcoat it.
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most series banquets i know of are open to the public, it's not a unique deal.
NHRA, indycar even are open. not sure about nascar cup but i believe some tickets are available for the "normal" people.
KWS invites fans. so does ocean speedway.
i don't think any of the local series hold money if a driver does not attend. most drivers in the top ten attend if at all possible anyway.
out here the teams and drivers are happy to show up and interact with the fans. we don't have to black mail them with their hard earned money. oh we also don't schedule banquets on one of the biggest race event days in the country.
to indy and beyond!!
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October 21, 2013 at
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October 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: Milt on October 21 2013 at 06:48:40 PM
That is so thoughtful of you and the FAST series swamp.
You do this to get the fans and drivers together? So I am SURE you let them attend for free....right?
This is the exact kind of bullsh!t I would expect from you swampy, don't try to sugarcoat it.
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Not quite sure where your logic, or lack thereof is coming from. If the fans WANT to pay to attend, that is even MORE of a reason to require drivers to show up to accept their checks, many of which are THOUSANDS of dollars. Or is it because fans are invited, you somehow think somebody is getting screwed? If you are one of the geniuses that believe the FAST people, or any other regional sanctioning bodies are doing this to make a profit, then get off your ass and dish out thousands to the drivers while working countless hours and you too can live the good life. Nobody is stopping you.
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October 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: racerguy6n on October 21 2013 at 08:35:35 PM
Not quite sure where your logic, or lack thereof is coming from. If the fans WANT to pay to attend, that is even MORE of a reason to require drivers to show up to accept their checks, many of which are THOUSANDS of dollars. Or is it because fans are invited, you somehow think somebody is getting screwed? If you are one of the geniuses that believe the FAST people, or any other regional sanctioning bodies are doing this to make a profit, then get off your ass and dish out thousands to the drivers while working countless hours and you too can live the good life. Nobody is stopping you.
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Don't feel bad racer, I'll try to dumb it down for you. Swamp did his best to make it look like the only reason they steal the drivers hard-earned winnings was to benefit the fans that pay to come to the banquets. Give us a little credit swamp.
And racer, which series do you work for?
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Posted By: racerguy6n on October 21 2013 at 08:35:35 PM
Not quite sure where your logic, or lack thereof is coming from. If the fans WANT to pay to attend, that is even MORE of a reason to require drivers to show up to accept their checks, many of which are THOUSANDS of dollars. Or is it because fans are invited, you somehow think somebody is getting screwed? If you are one of the geniuses that believe the FAST people, or any other regional sanctioning bodies are doing this to make a profit, then get off your ass and dish out thousands to the drivers while working countless hours and you too can live the good life. Nobody is stopping you.
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By the way, at the FAST party, fans can attend for a whopping $10 and that includes a buffet dinner. Each team also receives 2 free tickets. Yet people will still complain. Kudos to FAST for working with the drivers that are still racing and cannot attend.
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October 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: ricci49 on October 21 2013 at 03:55:41 PM
perhaps he wanted to show just how much the 'Trophy Cup' and 'Make a Wish' means to him.
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You are correct. Randy told me the banquet check was not enough to keep him away from such an important race....he wanted to be at the Trophy Cup that much.
Last year he was the series champion and he stayed home to accept it, but it was, I think, for $10,000.
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October 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: Milt on October 21 2013 at 08:49:05 PM
Don't feel bad racer, I'll try to dumb it down for you. Swamp did his best to make it look like the only reason they steal the drivers hard-earned winnings was to benefit the fans that pay to come to the banquets. Give us a little credit swamp.
And racer, which series do you work for?
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Why thank you Milt for "dumbing it down". Not sure how working with teams that give advance notice of prior commitments, including race schedules, and still paying them is considered stealing. Let me dumb it down a little for you: The top runners at Attica and Fremont receive THOUSANDS of dollars more than they did before FAST was around, but your brilliance considers them thiefs?
Thank you or asking, I worked with and managed the Sprints On Dirt series that my family started in 1979 for a few years. Which series is it that you work for?
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October 21, 2013 at
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Milt's ignorance is part of the problem with this sport and the "fans" that support it. Racer summed it up for me and has it 100% correct. Not only do we let driver/owner in for free, we also provide 2 free passes to all of our sponsors, track promoters, and photographers as well as the others who help us throughout the year. On top of that we pay for all of the awards, hand out $30,000+/- in cash, and another $10,000 in prizes and certificates. In 4 previous banquets, after the awards and trophies were paid and the catering was paid we "profited" less than $500 which was deposited into the following year's point fund. Yes, Milt...we're all getting rich off of this deal you idiot. Again...your ignorance (and those like you) are the problem in this sport and is what causes guys like me to wonder why I give a crap enough to do the things we do. It sure isn't for the money!!! Anyone in this business to make money is a bigger idiot than you are.
Former Owner/President of FAST and Black Swamp Media
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October 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: racerguy6n on October 21 2013 at 09:03:49 PM
Why thank you Milt for "dumbing it down". Not sure how working with teams that give advance notice of prior commitments, including race schedules, and still paying them is considered stealing. Let me dumb it down a little for you: The top runners at Attica and Fremont receive THOUSANDS of dollars more than they did before FAST was around, but your brilliance considers them thiefs?
Thank you or asking, I worked with and managed the Sprints On Dirt series that my family started in 1979 for a few years. Which series is it that you work for?
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i am not sure but i think milt was talking about lima, not f.a.s.t.
you explained how you do things and i don't think anyone responed they had a problem with that. it seems at least you take things under consideration and unless someone is just ditching the banquet, you make an exception for them if they can't be there.
to indy and beyond!!
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October 21, 2013 at
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I'm not sure why both of you geniuses keep bringing up the money issue? There are very few race fans willing to attend some boring, local banquet, even for free. If your series is so willing to mail a check to a racer who has a valid reason for skipping out (in your opinion), why is there any instance to withhold there rightly earned money? Why on earth would you choose to extort their own money from them?
Your very own admission that you do choose to pay some drivers and not others, when your own rules don't allow for such exceptions or exemptions, clearly opens you up for legal action. You don't get to arbitrarily choose on a whim who deserves to be paid.
And your self-proclaimed title of "important spokesperson" doesn't give you the right to call an average weekly race attendee like me an "idiot" or the thousands of other true "ignorant" race fans like me.
If I was a series PR person calling thousands of true race fans "ignorant idiots", I too should be wondering why the he11 I am doing this.
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Posted By: Milt on October 21 2013 at 06:48:40 PM
That is so thoughtful of you and the FAST series swamp.
You do this to get the fans and drivers together? So I am SURE you let them attend for free....right?
This is the exact kind of bullsh!t I would expect from you swampy, don't try to sugarcoat it.
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Buzz...you apparently missed Milt's post directed at me and FAST on page 1.
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October 21, 2013 at
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Milt...you obviously know more than I will ever know about running a series, so we'll leave it at that. For the record, I'm just a fan who got off my ass and made something happen. I'm looking forward to the day when I go back to sitting on my ass and doing nothing like most people do and complaining about the people who spend their time and money and years of their lives doing things to help this sport. Yep...that day is coming soon.
Former Owner/President of FAST and Black Swamp Media
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October 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: laudarevsonhunt on October 21 2013 at 09:13:48 AM
He knew the rules at the start of the year. If you don't go to the banquet you don't get the money.
I don't understand why a race track would do this, but if everyone knew these were the rules I don't see
the problem.
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October 21, 2013 at
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One thing has gone unmentioned here: these drivers are RISKING THEIR LIVES for our entertainment. Screw the banquet.
PAY HIM!!!!!!
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Only one thing I have a problem with the driver not being there...if the driver had to work or decided to run another race during the season, does the track or series send him starting money for the race he missed? NOPE! If a banquet is scheduled along with all the other races there isn't any excuse for them to not be there with possibly the exception of a death/illness. It's the drivers payday, they can make a little effort to show up just like they did all season to race!!!!!!
do it in the dirt
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Posted By: Swamp on October 21 2013 at 05:33:39 PM
As president of the FAST Series, I wanted to weigh in here. We also have a rule in place (since 2009) that you MUST attend the banquet to get your point fund check. Why? Because the FAST organization encourages fans to attend the banquet as a year- end celebration of the season and makes an attempt to bring fans and drivers together to create a little bit of a relationship between fans/drivers and make a positive impact on the sport in this area. Now, that being said, our rule was put into place because if FANS are coming to the banquet to see Craig Mintz accept his championship trophy and collect his paycheck, then Craig Mintz better show up. Nobody wants to see Craig's cousin Leroy come up on stage and accept the award in his place. So we made it a rule. Now...we also announce this rule along with the date of the banquet in the Spring, and we also allow the drivers to notify us of any reason why they are not able to attend prior to the final event of the season. We've had drivers get married, compete in other races out of state, etc who have notified us they will not be able to attend and they were paid...in full. We have also had drivers NOT notify us in advance of the final race and two missed out on checks last season. One went on a trip out of town, the other just decided he didn't want to come and was sitting at his shop 2 miles from the banquet hall. Bottom line is, rules are rules. If the driver is aware of the rule there is no excuse. I can't speak for Limaland about the Hannagan deal, but wanted to shed some light on this topic in general. For the record, nobody has notified us this season that they will not attend. However, TJ Michael (young rookie 305 driver) lives in Texas and will not be expected to fly in for his check. We will mail it to him. All other drivers are expected to attend or their point fund money will be forfeited. We don't ask the drivers to do anything to go out of their way all season long except to come and pick up their check at the banquet. If that's too much to ask, then we'll hold onto it.
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Swamp, I certainly respect the fact the you run the banquet as you see fit, and I appreciate the FAST series. But in my opinion as a race fan, I just think it's wrong for Limaland to withold Randy Hannagan/Dennis Yokam's money because their "crime" was wanting to race in Randy's homestate in a race that sounds to me like one of the very best races of the year anywhere. That's what Randy does - he races! Shawn Dancer as well. Personally, I have never attended a race banquet anywhere ever, and have no desire to.
What I can do as a fan, as far as Limaland is concerned, is vote with my feet, as they say. From this point on, Limaland will not get any more of my money and I'll never attend a race there again, including the Doty Classic (sorry Brad, not a dig at you). It's a matter of principle to me. Maybe others will do the same - maybe they'll just lose me. I'll drive the extra hour to Gas City or Attica on Friday nights. Shame on Limaland.
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October 22, 2013 at
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Larsonfan..Attica has the same procedures regarding attendance at their banquet...so it's Gas City.
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Larsonfan - I am not speaking for Limaland, just in general as far as our rules go. As I said, our policy would have allowed drivers to go to those races if they notified us by the deadline that they planned to do that. That way in our banquet press releases we could let people know those guys wouldn't be attending. Its pretty simple and all the drivers have a rule sheet that gets passed out in March each year...and that rule sheet has the banquet date on it. Does Limaland have a similar policy? I don't know. Do we know for sure that these drivers will not be paid? I think everyone needs all the facts before they start boycotting tracks and races.
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Posted By: meatbag on October 22 2013 at 06:40:32 AM
Only one thing I have a problem with the driver not being there...if the driver had to work or decided to run another race during the season, does the track or series send him starting money for the race he missed? NOPE! If a banquet is scheduled along with all the other races there isn't any excuse for them to not be there with possibly the exception of a death/illness. It's the drivers payday, they can make a little effort to show up just like they did all season to race!!!!!!
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Agreed.
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Just my 2 cents: Local racing in this area is done for the year. Randy, Shawn and Jeff Babcock (modified driver) knew before going racing that they weren't going too get paid. They DECIDED to go racing. Apparently they aren't worried about the money otherwise they would of showed up to collect the money. Also, some of the points money was from NRA which is not associated with Limaland,do they have the same banquet rule? Maybe instead of boycotting Limaland, everyone should donate to Make A Wish and support Randy if you believe that's why he was racing. Limaland has the best points fund around as they shelled out over $68,000, so expecting drivers to show up is understandable.
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