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Topic: Video: Incredible Kyle Larson/Brad Sweet Trophy Cup Finish Posted Email this topic to a friend | Subscribe to this TopicReport this Topic to Moderator
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buzz rightrear
October 20, 2013 at 06:03:33 PM
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Posted By: SouthBayBill on October 20 2013 at 03:44:51 PM

With the great finish on Saturday night, you almost forget about TK's finish on Friday. I was there I couldn't tell who won. Gravel was leading coming to the checkers then TK was leading after crossing the line. I heard a couple of guys debating about where the transponders we're mounted on the 2 cars. Was this in fact an issue ? Isn't the transponder's mounted on the same place on every car ? 

 



all the transponders are mounted right in front of the front axle just behind the front torsion bar rack. scoring is off of the transponders.

the non wing cars and midegets seem to mount the transponders at the rear of the car.

at the chili bowl a few years ago the front of sammy's car beat the front of kevins car to the line but by the time the back of the cars got to the line kevins transponder beat sammy's.


to indy and beyond!!

comeon38
October 20, 2013 at 06:11:11 PM
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Posted By: Twenty8 on October 20 2013 at 04:33:38 PM

I saw a Tim Aylwin racing photo of the finish and Gravel appears to be ahead by a bumper. For some reason I am unable to upload any new pics. Do you have to be a power user now ?



that picture looks like it wasnt taken directly from the side so its kind of an illusion



Mod9Fan
October 20, 2013 at 06:11:35 PM
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This message was edited on October 20, 2013 at 06:15:58 PM by Mod9Fan

Anyone can "talk" all they want, unless you were there, you will not understand. Damn, can't wait for next year! 




buzz rightrear
October 20, 2013 at 06:14:27 PM
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Posted By: Twenty8 on October 20 2013 at 05:50:23 PM

Transponders are located just below where the front bumper mounts on the chassis. Not sure why you think the motor/plate has anything to do with it.



some classes of stock cars mount the transponder on the firewall right behind the motor.

in the cup series as far as i know they are mounted at the back firewall in the trunk area.

 


to indy and beyond!!

ROTORGLOW
October 20, 2013 at 09:43:29 PM
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All I can say is Wow!  Ive seen all but 3 Trophy Cups and they just keep delivering year after year.  On the west coast Gold Cup and Dirt Cup are in serious decline and are just a mear shadow of themselves but gosh dangit Trophy Cup just gets bigger and better every freaking year. Hats off to all that break their asses all year to make this happen and people, this show also generates big money for a great cause so race fans you owe yourselfs a pat on the back.  Cant wait til next year. Maybe " Make a Wish"  next year could send a rep to accept the donation at the ceremonies held would have been a nice touch.


CAJ

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October 20, 2013 at 10:29:42 PM
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Posted By: ROTORGLOW on October 20 2013 at 09:43:29 PM

All I can say is Wow!  Ive seen all but 3 Trophy Cups and they just keep delivering year after year.  On the west coast Gold Cup and Dirt Cup are in serious decline and are just a mear shadow of themselves but gosh dangit Trophy Cup just gets bigger and better every freaking year. Hats off to all that break their asses all year to make this happen and people, this show also generates big money for a great cause so race fans you owe yourselfs a pat on the back.  Cant wait til next year. Maybe " Make a Wish"  next year could send a rep to accept the donation at the ceremonies held would have been a nice touch.



there was someone there from make a wish




Ca Sprintcar fan
October 20, 2013 at 11:46:39 PM
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The Trophy Cup was great. TK on the first night, then Larson on the final night. They rased a lot of money for Make a Wish. I like that Larson bought the 4 Kaeding helmets (HK, BK, TK, Bud) for 32k, then gave them to the Sprintcar Hall of Fame. Also Kevin Swindell's car owner Clide Lamar paid the $3,500 to start the 3c at the back of the A. (open to any car in the B not to make the A) I thought it was a great weekend of racing.

The flagman was already waving the checkerd when the two cars got together coming out of 4. Anyone there saw that.


Northern California Sprintcars

PetalumaPits
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October 21, 2013 at 12:23:38 AM
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on October 20 2013 at 06:03:33 PM

all the transponders are mounted right in front of the front axle just behind the front torsion bar rack. scoring is off of the transponders.

the non wing cars and midegets seem to mount the transponders at the rear of the car.

at the chili bowl a few years ago the front of sammy's car beat the front of kevins car to the line but by the time the back of the cars got to the line kevins transponder beat sammy's.



My buddy and I did the investigative work. He put one finger in between the upright where the transponder on Kaeding's KPC Chassis and got three fingers in between the upright on Gravel's ART.  With the difference being .003 seconds, any of a coue scenarios might have happened.  I thought Gravel won with the naked eye at the finish line. Kaeding may have crossed the transponder loop ahead or it could have been the difference in where the transponders were mounted.

 

 



formula-uuhh
October 21, 2013 at 02:33:38 AM
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Posted By: ROTORGLOW on October 20 2013 at 09:43:29 PM

All I can say is Wow!  Ive seen all but 3 Trophy Cups and they just keep delivering year after year.  On the west coast Gold Cup and Dirt Cup are in serious decline and are just a mear shadow of themselves but gosh dangit Trophy Cup just gets bigger and better every freaking year. Hats off to all that break their asses all year to make this happen and people, this show also generates big money for a great cause so race fans you owe yourselfs a pat on the back.  Cant wait til next year. Maybe " Make a Wish"  next year could send a rep to accept the donation at the ceremonies held would have been a nice touch.



just sealed the deal for me. im coming out to cali for the first time next yr and i was torn between chico and tulare. guess ill take my vacay in october. cant f-ing wait...




fivectydirttracker
October 21, 2013 at 06:21:39 AM
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Posted By: minthess on October 20 2013 at 12:40:12 PM

Marginal call but who cares.  Kyle is one of the greatest ever.  There has NEVER been a part time guy that just drops in and beats the best outlaw guys on various tracks on a regular basis.  As good as Hewitt, Vogler, Gordon etc were, they were seldom among the favorites at major 410 races like this guy.   Stop the jealousy or whatever it is and enjoy the gift.  Cookie cutter race cars are still a dilema but this guy helps make up for it.



Well said. Thank you.


Peace, Out.

from: central coast of cali.

SprintFan55
October 21, 2013 at 08:45:57 AM
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When they rebuilt the front stretch wall they moved the flag stand towards turn 4 (not sure why) but the transponder line isn't AT the flag stand....it is a little past it towards turn 1. so the photo at the flag stand, they hadn't hit the transponder line yet.

That is what I had been told anyways. either way, the racing didn't disappoint, and I cannot wait for next year.



laudarevsonhunt
October 21, 2013 at 09:22:53 AM
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If they were going 80 mph .003 secs is 4.2 inches




Twenty8
October 21, 2013 at 10:20:19 AM
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Posted By: formula-uuhh on October 21 2013 at 02:33:38 AM

just sealed the deal for me. im coming out to cali for the first time next yr and i was torn between chico and tulare. guess ill take my vacay in october. cant f-ing wait...



The past few years Chico has a 25% chance of a decent track condition. For what ever reason they really struggle all year long it isnt always the weather . Tulare is more consistant and the Tcup gets more about 30 more sprint cars than the Gcup.



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October 21, 2013 at 11:58:32 AM
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Posted By: PetalumaPits on October 21 2013 at 12:23:38 AM

My buddy and I did the investigative work. He put one finger in between the upright where the transponder on Kaeding's KPC Chassis and got three fingers in between the upright on Gravel's ART.  With the difference being .003 seconds, any of a coue scenarios might have happened.  I thought Gravel won with the naked eye at the finish line. Kaeding may have crossed the transponder loop ahead or it could have been the difference in where the transponders were mounted.

 

 




Gravel was in a MAXIM not ART



jdfast
October 21, 2013 at 12:02:37 PM
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Been going 6 yrars straight, NO OTHER RACE delivers everytime, not even close.

 

Even if they didn't have the great/wild finishes at the end of both nights:, STILL WOULD OF BEEN THE BEST EVENT/RACE of the year.

Everything about the trophy cup is great: cause (make a wish), the people involved, the announcers, the quality/qunaitity or racers, the track, staff, etc and OH, the racing is 2nd to none.

 

Should the race have ended without a caution, at the time it seemed correct.  I always hate when a leader is about to take the checkered and the yellow comes out.  Maybe wrong, and its never good to race around crashed cars, but once the white comes out, throw the checkered.  Not really sure if time was a concern, but everyone around me thought the cars might be close on fuel.  Would of really sucked having cars run out of fuel.

 

On thing I have heard or read, was the move by Larson in the first place, running on the ragged edge for the last couple of laps, worth it.  KYLE HAD THE RACE WON while he was behind Sweet.  Most guys would of stayed behind Brad and took the safe route to victory lane.  (On the other hand, maybe Kyle thought somehow Jason Myers might somehow find away around him.  IMHO Kyle wanted to win the race and event and go down in history.  Somehow, Kyle manages to find victory lane more times than not.  That move, and moves like that, is probably what got him a Cup ride.

 

We definetly saw history again at the Trophy Cup.  Already have my room booked for next year.

 

Congrats to Dave F., Make a Wish, all the drivers that competed, Kyle's $32,0000 donation for the Kaedings helmets (out bid Tony Stewart  Smile  wink, and everyone who made for another great weekend.




vande77
October 21, 2013 at 12:49:17 PM
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I was not there, but I don't see any scenario where you make anyone happy (especially if there were indeed up against their curfew).

do you throw a yellow, just to declare the race official due to the curfew?  If so, who won, Larson (in the lead?, the guy running 2nd at the line (only if the yellow was out, Larson stopped just past the flagstand, he should be last on the lead lap if he could get the tire changed, that's where he would restart), the guy running 3rd when they took the white (if you revert back a lap, this makes the most sense), or the guy running 3rd when Larson and Sweet got together (he didn't necesarrily cross the finish line 2nd).

It's a no-win situation.  Do you say the checker was thrown in-advertantly and pi$$ off Larson and Silva (they took the checkered flag), do you "award" the win to the guy running 3rd at the time of the wreck (in actuality, he was the leader had the yellow actually been thrown).

No matter what the decision was, there was going to be a group of fans and some racers mad (in all scenarios).

Best thing is that the Make-A-Wish Foundation got a lot of $$$ to fullfill wishes for terminally ill children and their families.



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October 21, 2013 at 03:06:22 PM
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I doubt that it factored into the decision but we WERE tight on time. The curfew there is 11:00 and the checkered flag was thrown at 10:45. Everything happened so fast and I wouldn't wish having to make the call on anyone but if you were there UNLESS you were counting on Brad Sweet to win you would agree that they made the correct call. The other danger here is that Jason Meyers could have one for a second year which simply could NOT have been allowed to happen.



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Posted By: jbates42x on October 21 2013 at 11:58:32 AM


Gravel was in a MAXIM not ART



The point is the same.




sc lm race fan
October 22, 2013 at 11:37:41 AM
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So how many of you have been to a Pit Meeting and been told that we don't race to the yellow exept on the white flag lap. That would be my guess this time. The flagman had pulled the checkard out and didn't think of pulling the Yellow out. This was a bang bang situation. Also there is if you have shown the checkard flag to the leader the race is over. That is pull it out of the rack on the flagstand.



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Posted By: sc lm race fan on October 22 2013 at 11:37:41 AM

So how many of you have been to a Pit Meeting and been told that we don't race to the yellow exept on the white flag lap. That would be my guess this time. The flagman had pulled the checkard out and didn't think of pulling the Yellow out. This was a bang bang situation. Also there is if you have shown the checkard flag to the leader the race is over. That is pull it out of the rack on the flagstand.




Sprint car racing doesn't race to the yellow flag under any scenario from any race track I've ever attended.  in the event that a car spins or crashes AFTER the leader takes the checker, those that didn't make it by the flagstand are scored per hte last completed lap (except those in teh wreck, they finish as the last cars on the lead lap). 

If the yellow (or red) had come out, it should have been a Green, White Checker finish.  The flag thrown after the white does not have to be the checker, it can be a yellow or a red also and the race be restarted.

Racing to the yellow is something that was primarily a stock car racing rule, and at that, must be a southeast rule more than anything.  The stock car classes in Iowa have run "green, white, checker" restarts for years and years too.





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