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May 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: dirtface on May 13 2013 at 01:47:09 PM
Everybody take from it what you want but keep this up and I guess we will continue to see 18 to 20 car counts in the 360 divisions. And yes I'm glad the CRA still has strong car counts and I'm voicing myself hoping it stays that way.. I've already stopped traveling to most races and anybody that knows me.Knows I'd drive anywhere for a sprint race. But not when it isn't worth the money. And you also Kenny I hear you bitch about the car counts all the damn time . So get off your damn kiss ass horse. And you promotors want us fans to keep spending our money you might want to take a look at this. And he'll know I won't keep my mouth shut. Put on a good show I applauded put on a bad show and I speak up.
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The truth is the teams wont travel from any series save for a few. Half of them wont travel to support a series they run every time it is local to them. Its expensive. The extra bonus moneys and contingency sponsors help a lot but that doesnt seem to have offset the low car counts (Stacked against five years ago.) in all divisions.
You are delusional if you think those teams are going to tow past the PAS to run in Arizona. That is just some Fox News worthy scare mongering. If that is all you have to bitch about you went pretty far out of your way to find something.
I just traveled hundreds of miles each way to check out a race in Hanford because my wife wanted to go to the Superior Dairy. We didn't get the ice cream, there were 18 cars and I saw a damn good race. We made it home safely (Thanks Danny Faria for not running me over!) and had a great weekend.
Youre such a huge fan but instead of traveling to your local track to watch whatever they have running or heading out of town to support the promoters and racers who do show up to race with whatever series you follow, you stay at home and bitch on the message board.
Why is it so many posts lately have been from Promoters or Drivers having to defend themselves from two or three fans with nothing better to do than act a fool on the internet?
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Posted By: Buzzard- on May 13 2013 at 02:43:54 PM
The truth is the teams wont travel from any series save for a few. Half of them wont travel to support a series they run every time it is local to them. Its expensive. The extra bonus moneys and contingency sponsors help a lot but that doesnt seem to have offset the low car counts (Stacked against five years ago.) in all divisions.
You are delusional if you think those teams are going to tow past the PAS to run in Arizona. That is just some Fox News worthy scare mongering. If that is all you have to bitch about you went pretty far out of your way to find something.
I just traveled hundreds of miles each way to check out a race in Hanford because my wife wanted to go to the Superior Dairy. We didn't get the ice cream, there were 18 cars and I saw a damn good race. We made it home safely (Thanks Danny Faria for not running me over!) and had a great weekend.
Youre such a huge fan but instead of traveling to your local track to watch whatever they have running or heading out of town to support the promoters and racers who do show up to race with whatever series you follow, you stay at home and bitch on the message board.
Why is it so many posts lately have been from Promoters or Drivers having to defend themselves from two or three fans with nothing better to do than act a fool on the internet?
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And there you go assuming . I was at a track this last weekend and will be at one this weekend and most every weekend . So if I am spending my money I can speak my mind.
We need more sprint car racing at our home track.
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May 13, 2013 at
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May 13, 2013 at
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I did assume, I apologize for lumping you in with that other clown.
There were two 360 shows and one 410 (kinda) show Saturday. I am pretty sure that any of these shows if it was the only one running would not have had more than two more cars show up.
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May 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: bentaxle on May 13 2013 at 09:49:17 AM
its not negative ! its idle chatter .. and so what if we cant idle below 1700 rpm ... anyways im hoping for 20 cars at the next perris race , i was thinking of driving that race and with only 20 cars i might make the main !!
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I can live with 20 cars. ,,,,, Im there to support our local teams that show up at the PAS. ,,,,, Anyone that comes from out of town. ,,,,, is just a bonus. !!!!!!!!. Just go out and support your local track. ,,,, where ever that may be. ,,,,, WHY GET YOUR SKIRT ALL WADDED UP OVER ALL THIS B.S. ,,,,,,,, End of story. !!!!!!!!! . ,,,ZZ
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What I don't understand is peoples obsession with needing B or C mains for an event to be "successful". Most all series only start around 22 cars in an A main. So if only 18 to 22 cars show up, you still have a main event!!!! If more cars show up, the only thing that happens is more "qualifying" races before the main is set. 50 cars can show up, but you still only have 22 to 24 cars run the main. The biggest benefit for the additional cars is the promoter getting more teams through the back gate which increases his chances of making a buck, which is not a bad thing.
A couple weeks ago I was at Tulare for the 360 non-wing race and they had 18 cars. It was good racing and I did not feel like I got short changed. I don't think the racing would have been any different had 30 cars shown up.
If someone is going to stay home because there may only be 20 cars vs. 25 or 30 then they are not fans. Heck I have been to some great races where there were only 13 cars. LARGE CAR COUNTS DO NOT GUARANTEE GOOD RACING AND SMALL CAR COUNTS DO NOT GUARANTEE BAD RACING!!!!
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granted only 20 or so make the main but when only 20 show up the heat races (usually the best racing) become pointless,with that said i've sworn off this board for the last time (we'll see how long that lasts)
ROB
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May 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: turn4rob on May 13 2013 at 10:03:57 PM
granted only 20 or so make the main but when only 20 show up the heat races (usually the best racing) become pointless,with that said i've sworn off this board for the last time (we'll see how long that lasts)
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Hope youre better at it than I am Rob. See you on the 25th.
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May 14, 2013 at
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Posted By: turn4rob on May 13 2013 at 10:03:57 PM
granted only 20 or so make the main but when only 20 show up the heat races (usually the best racing) become pointless,with that said i've sworn off this board for the last time (we'll see how long that lasts)
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I agree Rob. When there's only enough cars to fill the field for the main, some of the intensity in the heats is lost, obviously. But I also have to agree with KMS2683 that you can have great racing with a short field. I also agree with me, and that's that we won't get more cars if we don't show up during these hard times.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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May 14, 2013 at
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Randy & Kenny do not make me put the boxing gloves back in the motorhome.
IMO and MO only the PAS should not and does not depend on out of state teams to make or break thier show.
I do think that 18 or 20 drivers can produce a great show but I will never be a fan of 3 heats and an A.
Once again IMO the format with no qualifying,using qualifying heat races seemed to provide more action on the track by adding additional races.(more racing is never a bad thing)
More batteling on the track will make me think less about how many rigs are parked on the infield.
More of the all take and no give racing our brave drivers provide us with is what we need not necessarly more cars on the track.
See you guys at the PAS.
P.S. Randy quit stirring the pot.
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Posted By: Big Wes on May 14 2013 at 09:42:09 PM
Randy & Kenny do not make me put the boxing gloves back in the motorhome.
IMO and MO only the PAS should not and does not depend on out of state teams to make or break thier show.
I do think that 18 or 20 drivers can produce a great show but I will never be a fan of 3 heats and an A.
Once again IMO the format with no qualifying,using qualifying heat races seemed to provide more action on the track by adding additional races.(more racing is never a bad thing)
More batteling on the track will make me think less about how many rigs are parked on the infield.
More of the all take and no give racing our brave drivers provide us with is what we need not necessarly more cars on the track.
See you guys at the PAS.
P.S. Randy quit stirring the pot.
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Big Wes. ,,,,, I agree, PERRIS AUTO SPEEDWAY has the best show on Earth . ,,,,, As I said before . ,,,, Any out of town teams that show up , is just a bonus !!!!!!!!!! . ,,,,,,,ZZ. ,,,, AND STAY THIRSTY MY FRIENDS .
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Some people have already stated that with lower car counts, the heat races become a moot point. The other thing that happens is that the main event is filled with cars/drivers that are not yet ready for prime time. In effect the main event is also the consolation race. Lets get creative when the count is low. Have them qualify, then invert the entire field for a forty lap main. Or no qualifying and invert the field according to their points. That would put Ryan Bernal near the front since he hasn't bothered to run our shows. Payout according to passing points.
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Posted By: harryfan on May 15 2013 at 03:27:19 PM
Some people have already stated that with lower car counts, the heat races become a moot point. The other thing that happens is that the main event is filled with cars/drivers that are not yet ready for prime time. In effect the main event is also the consolation race. Lets get creative when the count is low. Have them qualify, then invert the entire field for a forty lap main. Or no qualifying and invert the field according to their points. That would put Ryan Bernal near the front since he hasn't bothered to run our shows. Payout according to passing points.
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Harryfan. ,,,,,, Do you really think that USAC would bend to those standards. ,,,,, I don't think so. ,,,,,,, But it would be better racing when there is a low car count. ,,,, I would keep it at 30 laps. ,,,, Put a little pressure on coming up through the field. ,,,, The problem is that USAC/CRA already has there point structure in place for the season. ,,,Were almost half way into the season. ,,,, I can already can hear all the term-oil If things were to change now. !!!!!!!!. [ But a great idea ]. ,,, As of now , there are a few cars that should not be in the main event. ,,,,, Some of these driver need the track time. ,,, but not in a main event. ,,,,,,ZZ. ,,,, STAY THIRSTY MY FRIENDS. ,,, FBW.
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Harryfan. ,,,,,, Do you really think that USAC would bend to those standards. ,,,,, I don't think so. ,,,,,,, But it would be better racing when there is a low car count. ,,,, I would keep it at 30 laps. ,,,, Put a little pressure on coming up through the field. ,,,, The problem is that USAC/CRA already has there point structure in place for the season. ,,,Were almost half way into the season. ,,,, I can already can hear all the term-oil If things were to change now. !!!!!!!!. [ But a great idea ]. ,,, As of now , there are a few cars that should not be in the main event. ,,,,, Some of these driver need the track time. ,,, but not in a main event. ,,,,,,ZZ. ,,,, STAY THIRSTY MY FRIENDS. ,,, FBW.
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Ah, it is true that USAC has their structure carved in stone. However Scotty does not.
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@ Chris Kearns
The a lot of things that are stated about the racing by the die hard fans on here are the same things I here from the casual fan as to why they are reluctant to show up @ a Sprint Car/Midget Race
If you are willing to help organize #Promoters/Sanctions/Fairgrounds/TrackOperators/Manf/CarOwners to address this maybe we can turn around the trend of # LessFansIntheStandsAround
First we should acknowledge that there are some storm clouds out there, then agree the past is the past & the only thing to learn from the past is not to repeat any mistakes of the past, leave the personalities @ the door & we do not care who gets the credit for any success & you may find it is amazing what can be accomplished !
I might be 1 of the yahoos that do not know what there talkin bout , but you might be surprised @ were some of the first conversations on expanding the use of the HTW tire originated @ .... #AmongOtherThings................
The above Comments are satire & for entertainment
purposes only
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Posted By: harryfan on May 15 2013 at 03:27:19 PM
Some people have already stated that with lower car counts, the heat races become a moot point. The other thing that happens is that the main event is filled with cars/drivers that are not yet ready for prime time. In effect the main event is also the consolation race. Lets get creative when the count is low. Have them qualify, then invert the entire field for a forty lap main. Or no qualifying and invert the field according to their points. That would put Ryan Bernal near the front since he hasn't bothered to run our shows. Payout according to passing points.
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Based on your post I think I solved the problem. Since apparantly you think that not all drivers are deserving of being in the main event because they do not have enough seat time, then what needs to be done is prior to each event all drivers that want to participate will have to submit their resumes. If a driver does not meet the required threshold for experience/seat time then they will be told they cannot participate unless enough cars show up to warrant a B main then they will be allowed to run but only in the B main. If not enough qualified cars enter then the event will be cancelled. This will ensure that fans, like most on here, will not have to spend their money on going to a race and be bothered and disappointed by a main event of cars that is only half full of qualified drivers. In addition, it will save money for those unqualified drivers as they will know in advance to not waste their time for unappreciative fans who think that they should not even be in a main event. See win, win for everyone!!!!!
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Posted By: KMS2683 on May 15 2013 at 09:42:19 PM
Based on your post I think I solved the problem. Since apparantly you think that not all drivers are deserving of being in the main event because they do not have enough seat time, then what needs to be done is prior to each event all drivers that want to participate will have to submit their resumes. If a driver does not meet the required threshold for experience/seat time then they will be told they cannot participate unless enough cars show up to warrant a B main then they will be allowed to run but only in the B main. If not enough qualified cars enter then the event will be cancelled. This will ensure that fans, like most on here, will not have to spend their money on going to a race and be bothered and disappointed by a main event of cars that is only half full of qualified drivers. In addition, it will save money for those unqualified drivers as they will know in advance to not waste their time for unappreciative fans who think that they should not even be in a main event. See win, win for everyone!!!!!
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Was going to stay out of this but hell I'll respond to this smartass comment. Not all race car drivers are capable of winning a main event. I know this because in the 8 years I raced midgets I never won one. And all drivers need laps to become competitive. But when car counts are low I have always felt there should be a minimum speed requirement, mostly on the smaller tracks. It's one thing to get lapped, happened to me more than once, but when you're getting lapped 2 or 3 times you are a hazard. You would probably be better off giving these drivers an extra hot lap session earlier in the night when they are not worried about being in the way and can use the whole track to learn. Maybe let them start the main, but if they are lapped say within the first oh say 10 laps require them to pull in the infield if they can't maintain a semblance of a competitve speed. And as far as bitching about a 360 race in Az on the same night as 410s in SoCal? There's only so many Saturday nights to go around, get over it.
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Bottom line. ,,,,,, things need to stay the way they are. ,,,,, As far back as I can remember,, 1960s ,,,,,,, there has always been cars being lapped 1 or 2 times in a Main event for one reason or another. ,,,,,, Its up to the officials to use the Blue/yellow move over flag. ,,,,,, or the Black flag. ,,,,,,, At one time there used to be a mechanical black flag. ,,,, Black with a White stripe . ,,,,,,, That was not as harsh as just using the black flag for a car that could not keep up to speed. ,,,, But now days all cars are to have radio contact from the race director. ,,,, when the race director says any thing on the radio ,,,,,,, all the drivers hear the same thing all at once. ,,,,, If the race director tells a slower car to stay low. ,,, The leaders that are comin up on that slower car ,,,, knows that he has been directed to stay low. ,,, So really unless that car is being a Hazard. ???????,,,,, Evan tho the lead car can still use that slower car to his advantage to block . ,,, Oh well.,,, Thats racing. !!!!!!!!!. ,,,,, I say keep it in the hands of the officials . ,,,,, ZZ. ,,,,AND OF COURSE ,,,, STAY THIRSTY MY FRIENDS . ,,,, FBW,
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Don't put much stock in those radios, look how many laps it takes them to get them in correct order on a yellow sometimes. And yes it should be the officials decision whether someone belongs in the main.At a small track like OSS does a driver with only 1 or 2 races start a main if there's a short field. It's a tough question and there may not be an answer. But with full fields being rarer and rarer it's a situation that will come up more and more. Glad I don't have to make the call.
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You pay your entry fee. Your car fires, you run the main.
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