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$20,000 305 motor??? Tracks had better get together and lay down some serious standard rules if this class is going to continue as a entry level real grass roots division. This is a great class but is quickly getting out of hand. IMO

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Sprinter 79, Many have tried, but so far it's not happening. I am pesimistic about ever keeping the 305 engines economical. Larry, I'm still going to try keeping the 305's affordable. See you in Burlington!

Somehow, and this is just my opinion, this is not exactly what French had in mind when he started the Racesaver program. But just in case. If you buy this motor, I can sell you a 1985 Nance chassis to put it in for just $ 250 , $2,500, or $25,000.

Gonna get my friend,Ed ,to buy it for me,so we can own the Racesaver's in our area...

Wow what a waste of money. I could buy two used but fresh 410's for that price. They should just go with a GM 604 crate engine and forget the 305 class if that is what the 305 goes for. $4,000 vs $20,000 for about the same lap times.

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You guys can bash the builder/seller all you want to, but here's a couple of things to consider:

1. Very few, if ANY, engine builders are making this kind of power
from a true legal RaceSaver 305, so if the numbers are true, they're
definitely on to something.

2. He can ask whatever he wants for the engine...doesn't necessarily
mean he'll get it, but there are people out there who will write a check
for big HP....they're called RACERS. We're all guilty of it. Hence the
reason we have ASCS 360s north of $40k. We're our own worst enemies
sometimes.

3. The 909 GM block is perfectly legal for RaceSaver competition.

4. Does big HP guarantee a win? No, it doesn't, but when everything
else is 'right', a little extra HP and TQ sure would be nice to have on
tap. There are a lot of guys you could put in 1st class equipment and
couldn't make a local show, and then there are guys who could take a
sh1tbox and contend for the win at a bigger show. Sometimes how the guy
in the seat performs is MORE IMPORTANT than how many HP the bullet
makes.

5. Putting the GM 604 crate motor...or any other CRATE motor for that matter..in a racecar is a bad idea. Crate motors kill the market for performance parts manufacturers. Which, in case, any of you forgot, is the main group of manufacturers that support dirt track racing.

JMO-

I'm not going to lie, we tied up quite a bit in our 305's. A lot of guys are building motors complete pan to injectors for $7,500 including ignition.....I cannot make myself build that sorry of a motor. Stock cranks, I-beam rods, heavy pistons and so on. These motors are known to lug and when you put a gasser in the car on a half mile locked down track, I would suspect you'll see a lot of these "affordable" motors shelling parts from one end to the other. How is it affordable if you're putting 3 or 4 motors together during the season vs. building 1 good one and running it all season? As for his hp numbers, I can see it. As more and more people start building these motors, more and more tricks will be found that will still fit within the rules but increase horsepower. It happens in every class of cars under every rules structure. We used to run a spec headed, flat top, 360 motors. I have as much in my 305 as I did those 360's and we're racing for half the purse. That's the real stupid part is that we're spending the same money to race for half the money. I'm not seeing the money savings in the 305's.....maybe I'm wrong, maybe a stock bottom end will live, but I'm not betting my money on it!

Block with splayed caps, ready to go $1,000, crank $850, rods $500, pistons $750, camshaft $150, heads $1,800 (after you replace the rocker studs), injectors $2,500, ignition $700, pan $500 (good wet sump pan). That's $8,750 and doesn't include balancing, misc. machining, bearings, rings, pushrods, lifters, rocker arms, front cover, water pump, pulley's, balancer, valve covers, stacks, breathers, plumbing, and all the other misc. stuff to go along with it. You can easily tie $10-12-even $15,000 up in these motors. $20,000, yeah a little over the top but that one does have a set of $5,000 injectors, $300 pulley set up and so on.

That's odd. I've got one of these affordable motors with a 2 bolt block, and stock crank. I do have a good set of rods and pistons in my engine and it's been raced on both TMS and Lonestar speedway, the only thing I've had to do to the engine since 2006 is roll bearings in the bottom end because I lost an oil pump, install new intake gaskets, and regular maintenance. Tell me more of these affordable motors that shell out parts regularly.

I didn't get the nickname Club Foot for nothing.

I may not be the fastest, but my engine is competitive as I've never been flat outran in a straight line.

Glad it works for you is all I can say......I wouldn't dare risk a stock crank and 2 bolt mains @ 8,000 rpm! But hey, maybe I'm wrong and a stock crank is all you need?

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I agree with everything you said about what should be done to control costs and how we as racers are our own worst enemy. Unfortunatly the tracks I race at are black gumbo and not very forgiving on motors. If we were racing on a sandy surface where you're always trying to hook the car up, I wouldn't be afraid of less than the best. But when we're racing at places that sometimes you can't get the car free enough, I think that's just asking for trouble with stock bottom ends. Again, maybe not, maybe these motors won't make enough power or torque to blow up no matter how much you try to put them through.....only time will tell.

Is there anyone out there that runs a stock bottom end in a 305 at Knoxville? Just curious because that's the best track I can think of to compare to what we're racing on around here.

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