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How many different compounds did they test,or was it only 1? People race on American Racer tires all the time where they are allowed,I'm sure they make a tire that doesn't blister.You can also look at as they are calling the shots for what,25 or so local 410 racers.

yes there will, yes yes yes

dream on, you do not know what you are talking about

Knoxville never releases's their schedule until the banquet, which is still about a month away.

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I personally think the local tracks need to stop supporting the Outlaws, if it wasnt for local competitors the outlaws wouldnt even have a race to race. They have what, 16 full time competitors at that?? The locals make the rest of the field, so I think the outlaws need to do what they can to make sure locals still race them and give them a full field. Local tracks plain and simple need to do what is best for their weekly racers, and forget about the circus. I could go a whole year without seeing them at the Grove or anywhere in central pa. The best racing is weekly instead of a rubbered down, shit show the outlaws have

I have several comments on the previous posts in this thread.

I have been both a fan and an owner at Knoxville since the late 60's. When we raced there in the mid 70's to 2008 we ran every tire brand that was available at one time or another. Sure different tires and compounds along with the size made a difference and always will unless you level the playing field somehow. I am not against the big money teams being able to purchase hundreds of tires at a time at all. The tires they purchase should be the SAME as what a local racer can purchase as far as brand, size and compounds!!!!!

Now as far as Knoxville sanctioning outlaw events.... Why pay the money for the sanctioning of the events? Yes it brings more fans BUT every track charges more for tickets for those events to cover the cost of the sanctioning fees as well as extra help to put on those shows. An average family can't even afford to go anymore. Besides all they see are maybe a couple of competitive races before they get to the follow the leader final race!

To the poster that wrote,

For that matter, if Knoxville gets to hard ass, replace the Nationals to a new track like Bristol Speedway (with clay on it of course), call it the New WoO Sprint Car Nationals. After a couple years, the Knoxville Nationals would only be a memory, though a good one.

Please go ahead and have that happen! Why? You say that attendance would fall? I say BS..... You say car count would drop off? I say BS!! Here is what I think would happen..

Car counts would most likely go up beacuse the outlaws are not there. There use to be teams that traveled from Arizona, California, Washington, Colorado, Pennsylvania and many other states to race at THE Nationals! Why have they stopped coming? The OUTLAWS!!!! Why make the long trip when even though you have a strong and fast team, you know you may not make the show because they are there?

Now several will say, the best in the world will not be there! The probability of a new winner, with the possability of more exciting and closer racing along with more cars in the event WILL fill the stands. I am tired of seeing the same old bs every Nationals. I want to see more cars and better racing like everyone else. So my thoughts are go ahead and have your 15 car WOO event @ Bristol or wherever you decide to have it and let the Nationals be the TRULY biggest event in the country again!

Knoxville nationals better without the Outlaws and the Outlaw cars? That's like saying the Super Bowl or World Series would be better if were for 6th or 7th place. I personally would not go to the Nationals if the very best drivers and top funded teams were not there. The whole thrill of the show is watching drivers like Brian Brown reel in Donny Schatz like happened this year. I know he failed to get by, but would it have been as big of a deal if he had passed someone from Pennsylvania while all of the top funded teams were in another state? You say it would be, but the attendance would suffer greatly because not all people think like you do. Go around the grounds on Saturday of the Nationals and a good percentage of the t-shirts being worn are that of WOO regulars. If you think they are the evil empire that needs to be brought down, then you need them too. I don't think the Nationals survives and grows without the WOO drivers there. Doesn't mean i think it needs to be Outlaw sanctioned, but the "bad guys" need to be there. JMO

Anyone thought about this.

If you go to the 16" wide tire, wouldn't that make it easier for 360 teams to move up into 410's in years to come (or on short tracks where their 360 would be competitive with a 410).

Seems to me like this would actually BENEFIT most if not all SPRINT CAR teams.

If 410's, 360's and 305's ALL have the same tire rules, doesn't that make Used wheels, tires, etc. all more readily available for teh low buck teams??

Since a lot of 410 teams are already running 360 shows (becuase that is a majority of the racing in their area), they more than likely already own the wheels, so no expenses to change to the 16" tire.

The 16" wide tire is a proven commodity, and on a LOT of nights, the 360's OUTQUALIFIED the 410's last year @ Knoxville (using narrower tires and 50 less C.I.). If the 410's have a hard time getting their horsepower to the track using the narrower tire, maybe this is truely what they have been searching for the last 10 years, a way to make everyone competitive again (I have no doubt that if the 410's have "too much" power for the 16" tire, that Garner, Agan, Moro, Van Haaften, Beaver and Carson McCarl could qualify and race with the 410's using their 360 engine (at the end of the night they were running similar lap times already).

I personally don't care which direction any of hte sanctions/tracks go. I do believe that if the WoO go a different direction than a majority of the tracks, that they will indeed have a hard time filling dates, grandstands, and feature fields in 2013.

I personally think that STP will have some leverage with the WoO when it comes to tire decisions. They know which events are the best attended / most support from teams and they aren't investing $$$ in the WoO to see those events disappear from the WoO calendar.

The telling thing to me is that the tracks/sanctions that have announced Hoosier (Knoxville, Fremont, Attica, IRA, KWS) have TESTED the tires and chose the tire that showed less wear (and offered LESS MONEY to the tracks/sanctions in their proposal), while the WoO have stated that they signed a "letter of intent" with American Racer after reviewing their PROPOSAL (ie: contract $$$), and haven't done tire testing.

Seems to me that the tracks/sanctions that are doing tire testing (PA, Knoxville, IRA, KWS, Fremont, Attica, etc.) are actually trying to make the racing better and cheaper for their teams, while the WoO are only looking at how much $$$ the tire contract is putting in thier coffers.

+1 to the Husets AM Racer tire comment.

That was simply put, the best racing that track has ever seen.

The track always slicked off, was wide, smooth and NEVER took rubber.