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Great racing tonight at Kville for the WoO show... but why run the 360's support class before the WoO A main? Awesome racing all night with 2 groves and sliders glore... but track went away 10 laps into A main and they hug the bottom.

WHY NOT RUN THE SUPPORT CLASS AFTER THE WOO SHOW???

Knoxville has never run the Main event of the night before the appetizer. Makes zero sense to have your steak before the salad.
I'm from Iowa and took my family to see the Grove last night and Lincoln tonight. Last night we stayed and watched the support class finish their feature (after the 410 feature) and by the time we could get to the pits, all the 410 drivers had already packed and gone. (kids wanted t-shirts, guess I saved some money, and the drivers lost some).
Knoxville saves the main course for last and lets fans into the pits immediatly afterward, as drivers will then sign autographs as long as needed. There's a reason Nascar doesn't run trucks regularly on Sundays and the big cars on Friday night. It's called the MAIN EVENT.

Bye bye, Hardhat!

What he said lol... In almost all forms of racing the main event is the top class and ran last. If they would have known it was going to rubber down and taken the time to fix it then you'd have someone on this forum complaining about that to.

I guess it would make too much sense. Lets see, the top division that the vast majority is there to see would have a better track to race on and the fans could clear out in steps instead of all at once. This isn't boxing. The headline feature should be run first instead of forcing fans to sit through support divisions that they may or may not have any interest in.

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Lets piss and moan because Knoxville is a damn good enough track that the support class is SPRINT CARS. Any other track we would be sitting through IMCA Modifieds and Hobby Stocks. So then there wouldn't be any race worth a damn. The track didn't turn out very good tonight. It is dirt track racing and it happens, not the first time and certainly won't be the last. Sure it is crummy, but it is how it happened tonight.

And to those who only want to see the cars with the BIG 410 engines, who don't like 360s and this, that and other. You want to know the difference in lap time between a 360 and a 410 at Knoxville? It is generally in the one second range. Give or take a half a second or so. Sure the Outlaws have the big names and such, but at the end of the day a sprint car race is a sprint car race is a sprint car race. 360s are just as capable of putting on an excellent show as 410s. So what is the problem?

Ask Frank

Has it ever happened in previous years that a rain storm was coming so they decided to run the WoO feature before the 360's?

The whole idea of having a support class is to fill in the down time between qualifying , heats ,and mains. Have you been to shows without a support class? I have, and it`s frustrating as hell to sit there for a half hour or so of absolutely nothing going on after the heats are completed., and again after the B main is over. Then after ALL that down time between races, you leave the track after the Amain and it isn`t even dark!

Dahlfans, How was DC? Do you know we just missed you by a week. We were there last week of May.

We have been going to Knoxville for close to 30 years and I can count the number of rubber down races on one hand. It happens from time to time. The racing up until the WoO A main was solid. There was passing for the lead and all throughout the field in the Outlaw heats and the last chance qualifier ws a good one too.

Why is it, so many outlaw races go rubber down? Tires???

this idea is nuts. why not run cup races before nationwide? the track dryness was caused in part by our 90% weather. this stuff happens. how do you put the exact amount of water on a track.

the 360 class is not a class of BOMBER street stocks. I guess we could call you a bleacher snob who thinks the whole world should center around your little world.

Most tracks always save the main attraction for last in order to keep the fans in the stands and the concession lines busy. That's just common sense, I'd do the same thing, build up all night to the big show. Track prep, when to farm and when to just mist or leave it alone is not an exact science. They take their best guess and sometimes they nail it, sometimes they don't and people complain the next day on message boards. It's a thankless job. If we wanted more consistency we'd be going to asphalt tracks.

Stan Meissner

I never questioned the order of events, but I thought maybe more would've been done to the track during the night to try and keep things from going the rubber down way. I realize that high temps and low humidity are horrible to deal with, and before we left for our 6 hour drive we even questioned how good the track would be, given the conditions. We just figured that it's Knoxville and they'll know how to deal with it considering it gets raced on 4 nights in a row in August and rubber down isn't usually a problem. At least mist the cushion during the night maybe? Last night was the first sprint car main in my life that I have seen where the leader did not lap a single car. One line of cars around the track, all going the same speed.

Two of the last three times we've gone to see the Outlaws, it was a 5 and 6 hour drive (Cedar Lake and Knoxville), and both times the track was locked down/rubber down before the feature was 1/3 over with. Needless to say, Cedar Lake is not on our trip schedule anymore this year. We used to think that rain was the only weather condition that we'd have to worry about when taking longer trips, but I guess nowadays, warm sunny days can be just as bad. Just don't want to take the risk anymore of spending the money on gas, hotel, ticket, food, etc, for the chance that we'll be watching another boring, rubber down race.

Not mad, just disappointed. Rant over.

Cheers!

"They'll learn." 

Been to kville alot and its not very often I see it rubber down so I give them a pass on this one. As mentioned the leader never lapped a car and it was on long freight train on the bottom. Atleast it finished before tires started popping, the ones I looked at wouldn't have made it much longer.

Cool to see Madsen win over Swindell. Glad he found the rubber before Sammy did.

Not sure on rules for the 360's but that 40 car seems way faster than the rest of the field. He was flat flying by cars like he was in a 410. I had to laugh because some lady behind me kept yelling to tear him down and I thought the same thing.

Different regions of the country do things differently. That is definitely not the way most of the tracks here in the East run a show. I think that is probably why a couple of the posters in this thread that are familiar with how shows run around here were shocked by that.

Sure, there are some places here that save the headline divison for last. But most of the tracks around here run the main division feature first. That way, if people want to watch the support division feature, they can. Or people can leave after the headline feature if they choose to do so. The track has your money whether you watch the support division feature or not.

Personally, I greatly prefer any track that runs the headline feature first and I have option of leaving after seeing the division I want to see race. The Grove and Lincoln are "good enough" tracks that they run a Sprint Car division as a support class, and they still don't subscribe to the nonsense of wearing out the track with the support class before the 410s. When the Outlaws are at a track, why wouldn't a track run them first and give people what they want? That is what the people are there to see.