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October 03, 2010 at
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Bring Carol McMahan back to run the office! 
TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!
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just my thoughts
If Alan Handy goes ASCS will Civil War be here next year or will it be ASCS Civil War? Tracks that supported Civil War will they go ASCS motors too? Alan transitioning to ASCS in 2011 this will affects other tracks and maybe they would go the "Simpson Way".
I would like to see Simpson promote 2 series, local 360 with Good Years and King of the West Sprints Cars 410 series. He can hire someone to be the Race Director for the Good Year 360 series.
If Simpson could get other tracks to run Good Years tires, ie. Petaluma, Antioch, Tulare, Hanford, Calistoga, Santa Maria, Perris, Watsonville, Marysville, Oregon tracks: Medford, Cottage Grove, Lebanon, do you think we need Hoosier tires, Placerville and Chico tracks for this new series? Regarding Canada, maybe in the future but right now I think that would be out of the picture unless there is someone that will sponsor every team to race Canada.
To run these tracks that are listed above (excluding Placerville and Chico) the first year seems like it could be possible with Good Years. I hope the season goes from March – October with around 35 events to start.
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October 04, 2010 at
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Posted By: JN54 on October 04 2010 at 02:50:39 PM
just my thoughts
If Alan Handy goes ASCS will Civil War be here next year or will it be ASCS Civil War? Tracks that supported Civil War will they go ASCS motors too? Alan transitioning to ASCS in 2011 this will affects other tracks and maybe they would go the "Simpson Way".
I would like to see Simpson promote 2 series, local 360 with Good Years and King of the West Sprints Cars 410 series. He can hire someone to be the Race Director for the Good Year 360 series.
If Simpson could get other tracks to run Good Years tires, ie. Petaluma, Antioch, Tulare, Hanford, Calistoga, Santa Maria, Perris, Watsonville, Marysville, Oregon tracks: Medford, Cottage Grove, Lebanon, do you think we need Hoosier tires, Placerville and Chico tracks for this new series? Regarding Canada, maybe in the future but right now I think that would be out of the picture unless there is someone that will sponsor every team to race Canada.
To run these tracks that are listed above (excluding Placerville and Chico) the first year seems like it could be possible with Good Years. I hope the season goes from March – October with around 35 events to start.
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where is simpson going to go this upcoming year? i can open an office and call it the super western all star kickass 410 sprint car special and if i don't have any tracks on board it isnt going anywhere. you will have the same guys who supported the series on goodyears instead of hoosiers with less places to run on off weeks unless they spend more money for two different brands of tires. the costs go up not down.
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October 04, 2010 at
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you do realise that ASCS races on hoosiers, don't you? also it is not the same hoosier the teams around here use now. if 360 racing around here ends up going ASCS, they won't be using goodyear tires. we don't need every series or track running different motor and tire rules, no matter what they are. i am sure that the civil war will operate just has it has in the past, only with ASCS motor, wing and tire rules. i think quite a few of the 360 teams in the chico and p-ville area that make up most of the civil war have an ASCS motor on hand already. the question is, what will the "local" 360 tracks do? having to invest in another motor with no place to get rid of the one you have is an expense that might be too much for some teams. as far as the hoosier/goodyear thing goes, if most places are using goodyear and one series or track wants to run hoosiers, it doesn't make sense. the same thing is true if most places are running hoosiers. now if all the 360 stuff goes ASCS, then the tire deal will decide itself for them. that would still means that anyone running both 360 and 410 is screwed when it comes to trying to have a reasonable tire bill. also if 360's go ASCS all your 18" RR wheels will be useless.
to indy and beyond!!
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October 04, 2010 at
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good luck GT..... the new digs look great,I know dan simpson an you can make this deal work all the best to ya.....
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October 05, 2010 at
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ASCS is ran at Cottage Grove , Medford (White City) Southern Oregon Speedway, Lebanon Willamette Speedway runs only the ASCS NW tour, Elma is or was the Home track for the ASCS NW tour all these tracks run Hoosiers.
But being that the Handy ran tracks are going to the ASCS heads sounds like the ASCS NW tour could start at P-Ville and go north next year 2012. Also National Tour also.
So lots of 18" and 15" wheels for sale. ASCS 17" RR only.
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October 05, 2010 at
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How does this affect (and where are) Dan and Laurel Belton in all this??? I seem to remember a press release a while back whereby they were stepping up in a big way regarding GSC.
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Posted By: TopWing on October 05 2010 at 01:14:10 AM
How does this affect (and where are) Dan and Laurel Belton in all this??? I seem to remember a press release a while back whereby they were stepping up in a big way regarding GSC.
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Hopefully right where they have been for the last few years. If you want impartiality you keep Dan and Laurel.
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I know this isn't what this post was about, however below is copied directly from the ASCS rulebook. It may not be beneficial to run a 18" RR wheel , but its allowed.
Tires and Wheels
1. Right Rear Hoosier Racing Tire, 105x16.0-15 Medium or 105x18.0-15 HARD. No tire preps or tire softeners allowed.
2. Beadlocks recommended on all wheels.
3. Maximum right wheel width is 18-inches, maximum left rear wheel width is 15 inches.
4. Left Front is the only tire you can run flat.
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on October 04 2010 at 06:04:47 PM
you do realise that ASCS races on hoosiers, don't you? also it is not the same hoosier the teams around here use now. if 360 racing around here ends up going ASCS, they won't be using goodyear tires. we don't need every series or track running different motor and tire rules, no matter what they are. i am sure that the civil war will operate just has it has in the past, only with ASCS motor, wing and tire rules. i think quite a few of the 360 teams in the chico and p-ville area that make up most of the civil war have an ASCS motor on hand already. the question is, what will the "local" 360 tracks do? having to invest in another motor with no place to get rid of the one you have is an expense that might be too much for some teams. as far as the hoosier/goodyear thing goes, if most places are using goodyear and one series or track wants to run hoosiers, it doesn't make sense. the same thing is true if most places are running hoosiers. now if all the 360 stuff goes ASCS, then the tire deal will decide itself for them. that would still means that anyone running both 360 and 410 is screwed when it comes to trying to have a reasonable tire bill. also if 360's go ASCS all your 18" RR wheels will be useless.
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gOOd Years? hOOsiers? isnt this what McCreary's went thru a few years ago? HooSIER moving in when it was McCreary's? Can anyone correct me on this.
The war of the Tire Companies.
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October 05, 2010 at
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Max width on a right rear is 18 in. 15 on the left. We can run dished or flat top wings, no rule there. We can run Goodyear, American Racer, Hoosier on the fronts and left rear. Hoosier medium or hard on the right rear only. ASCS Regional or National races have a 30 dollar pit fee. 360 motors can be converted to ASCS although some will be higher in price than others. Hopefully Dan will successfully pull the "KING OF THE WEST SERIES" off no matter what tires we run. I personally think it's time for a change in both classes!!
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Posted By: williec29 on October 05 2010 at 06:15:13 PM
Max width on a right rear is 18 in. 15 on the left. We can run dished or flat top wings, no rule there. We can run Goodyear, American Racer, Hoosier on the fronts and left rear. Hoosier medium or hard on the right rear only. ASCS Regional or National races have a 30 dollar pit fee. 360 motors can be converted to ASCS although some will be higher in price than others. Hopefully Dan will successfully pull the "KING OF THE WEST SERIES" off no matter what tires we run. I personally think it's time for a change in both classes!!
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hey willie. wasn't trying to seem negative about anything. i don't care what rules are run. i just think some kind of conformity among the area tracks would be nice. i would hate to see a bunch of different rules. while it is true ASCS allows you to run an 18" RR, as someone has already stated, it isn't necessarily practical to run that wheel when trying to hook up that ASCS RR tire. obviously there can be times when there are exceptions. yes 360 motors can be converted to ASCS specs, although i believe at minimum it will take two complete head assemblies, a set of pistons and a cam shaft and the labor for the change over. i am not knocking that, just pointing out it is an expense. as i said, it is not my intent to be negative on anything. just pointing out some things come at a cost, and when we are trying to keep people racing, i am hoping things can be kept affordable to even the low budget teams. if not, those are the ones we will lose. thanks for pointing out that ASCS doesn't have a LR tire rule, i was under the impression they did. at least the 410 teams who may be running goodyears next year won't have to by extra LR tires if they decide to run a ASCS show. they will how ever have to convert their open 360 or come up with an ASCS motor if they don't have one. by the way, i know it is tough for you to get down to ocean to race on a fri, but if you made it some time i think you would do pretty good  .
to indy and beyond!!
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Posted By: williec29 on October 05 2010 at 06:15:13 PM
Max width on a right rear is 18 in. 15 on the left. We can run dished or flat top wings, no rule there. We can run Goodyear, American Racer, Hoosier on the fronts and left rear. Hoosier medium or hard on the right rear only. ASCS Regional or National races have a 30 dollar pit fee. 360 motors can be converted to ASCS although some will be higher in price than others. Hopefully Dan will successfully pull the "KING OF THE WEST SERIES" off no matter what tires we run. I personally think it's time for a change in both classes!!
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Willie, your up to speed on all this. In your opionion what's it going to cost to bring a hard hittin 360 like yours in compliance with ASCS. 5,000.00? 8,000.00? I'm guessing about 80% of the guys running right now are running open motors. With the economy the way it is, meaning a lot of teams are "just getting by" it seems possible that some other player/promotor might open up another series or should I say keep his current rules the same. Just food for thought. Said promotor ups his/there purse a bit and wammo a whole new set of racers. I realize the ASCS deal is a ways out, but if the economy will not or can not rebuild it self we are in a world of hurt. I truly hope everthing works itself out because sittin on the porch is no fun.
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Buzz Rightrear I agree. My thought is that the "KING OF THE WEST SERIES" should stay right inline with WOO. I say this because because it will eliminate the gray areas and we'll know what to expect to run when there in the area or if teams go travel. I'm in favor of the ASCS series for the 360's. Same rule across the nation. The biggest downfall to the 360 guys showing up at a 410 event may be the the type of tires permitted.(REARS ONLY HOPEFULLY) On the flip side it's only a rightrear needed for a 410 team to run a ASCS race. I'm going to try to make the last show there... Thank you.
Stoga... I actually only have a ASCS 360. I sold my open motor about four years ago incase things came to this. I'm really suprised to see other teams build brand new open motors. I looked at what was going on around us and decided it was time.(Oregon, Northwest series, ect.)I belive the ASCS motors run as good and race better than the open motors. Perfect example was Fall Nationals this year...quick time both nights were ASCS motors. ASCS motor also won the race each night. I think about 35-45 percent of us use the ASCS motors. The cost to convert your open motor...I belive the Allpro headed open motors are going to cost the most. I ran Kevin Urtons newly ASCS motor at the first Civil War race this year. It was a 11x head open before the conversion. He had the heads, injectors, replaced. He used the same pistons, cam, rockers, push rods. He did update to new MSD. The motor to both of our surprise ran really good. I'm not sure but I would take a guess at the $8000.00 range. Hopefully teams can time it in the off season of 2011. Keep in mind most engine builders change pistons, have lifters rebuilt on every freshen anyways.
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Buzz Rightrear I agree. My thought is that the "KING OF THE WEST SERIES" should stay right inline with WOO. I say this because because it will eliminate the gray areas and we'll know what to expect to run when there in the area or if teams go travel. I'm in favor of the ASCS series for the 360's. Same rule across the nation. The biggest downfall to the 360 guys showing up at a 410 event may be the the type of tires permitted.(REARS ONLY HOPEFULLY) On the flip side it's only a rightrear needed for a 410 team to run a ASCS race. I'm going to try to make the last show there... Thank you.
Stoga... I actually only have a ASCS 360. I sold my open motor about four years ago incase things came to this. I'm really suprised to see other teams build brand new open motors. I looked at what was going on around us and decided it was time.(Oregon, Northwest series, ect.)I belive the ASCS motors run as good and race better than the open motors. Perfect example was Fall Nationals this year...quick time both nights were ASCS motors. ASCS motor also won the race each night. I think about 35-45 percent of us use the ASCS motors. The cost to convert your open motor...I belive the Allpro headed open motors are going to cost the most. I ran Kevin Urtons newly ASCS motor at the first Civil War race this year. It was a 11x head open before the conversion. He had the heads, injectors, replaced. He used the same pistons, cam, rockers, push rods. He did update to new MSD. The motor to both of our surprise ran really good. I'm not sure but I would take a guess at the $8000.00 range. Hopefully teams can time it in the off season of 2011. Keep in mind most engine builders change pistons, have lifters rebuilt on every freshen anyways.
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Thanks for the quick reply Willy. Yes that was what I was trying to get at, the cost of the all pro heads. So maybe 30 to 40 percent or civil cars are running ASCS I don't know. What about Twincities, Antioch, Pville and Petaluma? As you know there are a lot of guys that will have a dificult time with this. Yes maybe the country should be on the same page as far as the 360's go it just dosent seem like the right time. Please keep in mind this is all coming from a fan. Thanks for your imput.
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October 05, 2010 at
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"Please keep in mind this is all coming from a fan."
Yeah - good thing you are a gentleman and point that out. Lord forbid he think you are some kind of expert or sumthin'.........:-)
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I never saw any post that stated that HRP killed the deal, Did I miss it?
Just asking, how is everyone so sure it wasn't Dan?
Not that it matters much but depending on WHO backed out would sorta give us some idea as to what happened and why.
I think ASCS for the 360's will only help the class grow when the dust fianally settles.
I was wondering if "KING OF THE WEST SERIES" and GSC do both try to run, is there enough cars/money to do it?
Steve
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OH,
one more thing,
GT, yourt "white balance" is all out of whack on the camera!!
change your shooting mode!!
LOL,
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October 06, 2010 at
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Haha oh I know George said that I'm not the profesional photographer he thought I was
We will NOT be racing in Canada next year so those rumors can be put to rest. We will be racing in the same general area as this past year's GSC schedule.
Information is still being put together for next year and when the time comes that info will be released.
www.sprintcarchallengetour.com
www.placervillespeedway.com
www.stocktondirttrack.com
www.thunderbowlraceway.com
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Posted By: stevesracingphotos on October 06 2010 at 01:31:04 PM
I never saw any post that stated that HRP killed the deal, Did I miss it?
Just asking, how is everyone so sure it wasn't Dan?
Not that it matters much but depending on WHO backed out would sorta give us some idea as to what happened and why.
I think ASCS for the 360's will only help the class grow when the dust fianally settles.
I was wondering if "KING OF THE WEST SERIES" and GSC do both try to run, is there enough cars/money to do it?
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Rumors/talk going around at the fall nationals was Alan never owned the GSC series he was trying to selling to Dan. John Padjen owns the GSC series/name. The Padjen/Handy can only answer their part of why GSC didnt sell. Dan can only answer what he know why it didnt go thru. I dont think Dan backed out if he's still continuing to promote the 410 racing. If you attended the GSC banquet that Dan held at his place and paid for it all, didnt charge one person to attend (a normal GSC banquet to attend cost $40 per person) you would have thought Alan sold/turned the whole GSC series over to Dan. Dan's facility Goodyear signs hanging, Chalk board GOLDEN STATE CHALLENGE SERIES written on it. How could you not think Dan is taking it over if you attended the banquet.
The main thing, it doesnt matter if the series is GSC or King of the West Sprints, what matters, can we still race 410's in California and someone like Dan is trying to keep it going. Drivers, car owners, fans need to support Dan.
ASCS is a good thing in California. Emmett Hahn knows how to promote, look at the Chili Bowl, Tulsa Shootout, and ASCS very successful series/racing.
JMO i cant see two 410 series in California either GSC or KWS.
from Crofts post, "I personally think it's time for a change in both classes!!" I think a lot of drivers, car owners, fans are thinking the same.
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