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October 01, 2009 at
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Dust? Ken Schrader has 3 rules for his track. 1. Start on time 2. No more than 3 hours 3. Don't send em home dirty
Adding $6 trillion of debt in his 1st term and now if
elected again he wouldn't have to worry about an
electorate in 2016 so the sky is the limit.And his EPA
would continue to put the screws to oil drilling and
mining for coal.Can you say bankruptcy.
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October 01, 2009 at
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Sprint Examiner didn't write the article. A guy named Joe Buckles from the Tribune Star did. His e-mail is at the bottom of the rticle if you want to leave him some "comments."
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October 02, 2009 at
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Can I write your employers and complain about your lack of knowledge regarding the English language?
Terry was fine in what he said. The newspaper writer was fine in what he put in print. Nothing to see here. Sadly two drivers were injured and this is what comes from it. Hopefully the two guys that got hurt will make a quick and full recovery and get back to the track.
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October 02, 2009 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on October 02 2009 at 12:51:26 AM
Can I write your employers and complain about your lack of knowledge regarding the English language?
Terry was fine in what he said. The newspaper writer was fine in what he put in print. Nothing to see here. Sadly two drivers were injured and this is what comes from it. Hopefully the two guys that got hurt will make a quick and full recovery and get back to the track.
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Can I write your employers and complain about your lack of knowledge regarding the English language?
hahahahaha. I do not recall stating i had 2 employers. I suggest your reading comprehension skills may be lacking. hahhahahahahha
NOUN: 1a. The act or fact of grasping the meaning, nature, or importance of; understanding. b. The knowledge that is acquired in this way.
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October 02, 2009 at
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Posted By: hwr latemodel on October 02 2009 at 01:04:25 AM
Can I write your employers and complain about your lack of knowledge regarding the English language?
hahahahaha. I do not recall stating i had 2 employers. I suggest your reading comprehension skills may be lacking. hahhahahahahha
NOUN: 1a. The act or fact of grasping the meaning, nature, or importance of; understanding. b. The knowledge that is acquired in this way.
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Dewar Western / Pat beck Motorsports Which I happen to be employed by is the sponsor
Looks like two entities to me, but who am I to question a scholar such as yourself?
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October 02, 2009 at
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Terry made his comments after this accident. Now its coming home to roost and he has to say something to make it sound better. You can say what you want and so can I it happens to be a free country or at least it is in Canada. You stand behind Tmac, thats fine. I still believe he said it because the drivers involved are young. Eh
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October 02, 2009 at
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Posted By: hwr latemodel on October 02 2009 at 01:04:25 AM
Can I write your employers and complain about your lack of knowledge regarding the English language?
hahahahaha. I do not recall stating i had 2 employers. I suggest your reading comprehension skills may be lacking. hahhahahahahha
NOUN: 1a. The act or fact of grasping the meaning, nature, or importance of; understanding. b. The knowledge that is acquired in this way.
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i kind of hate to do this but you did step in front of the bus yourself
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Stop right there Examiner, Terry in know way was referring to EITHER of these drivers. He was interviewed after the races and was very upset with what he thought transpired. He spoke for quite a while with a reporter about a lot of topics and was talking in general terms about young drivers and drivers that are out of control that have been racing for years! He stated that David had him "handled" and was doing a great job. He actually stated that his own son's were starting a bit early and each kid should be looked at on an individual basis as his 16 son Austin is very mature for his age and some kids may not be. He was not judging anyone involved that night as he did not even see the accident. Those are his quotes and that is what he believes but they did not and do not pertain to this night! We hope Travis and David recuperate fully from this accident and return to racing soon. They are both very talented young men.
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respectfully suggesting, i would apply your own advise to the above.
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October 02, 2009 at
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Posted By: hwr latemodel on October 02 2009 at 01:22:03 AM
Terry made his comments after this accident. Now its coming home to roost and he has to say something to make it sound better. You can say what you want and so can I it happens to be a free country or at least it is in Canada. You stand behind Tmac, thats fine. I still believe he said it because the drivers involved are young. Eh
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there is one thing you should know about terry, damage control after the fact is not his style. he will usually step deeper in it just to make sure he was clear the first time! lol. so if he meant to chew anyone in particular out, he wouldn't be backing down now.
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Talked to TMAC right after the race. He was shaken up because he was told by All Star officials that there had most likely been a tragedy. At that point, he went to the pits (not to Victory Lane). He was nothing but complimentary to David Gravel as well. His comments this week in Tuesday's with TMAC reflect exactly the conversation we had.
Personally, I worry more about the kids entering USAC. 2007 seemed to be the peak of this, where 16 year old kids were slamming into and around veterans like Darland and Coons with no regard for anyone's safety. I remember leaving Sprintweek that year with a bit of a bad taste about non-wing racing in Indiana because of it...some think slidejobs where the guy has to stand up in the seat to get on his brakes to avoid these kids is exciteable, but not me. I've seen to many injuries. Guess I'm getting older...I think the recent developments with NASCAR have curbed things in USAC as far as the younger drivers...
If this post isn't results, stories or something c
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Mr. Gravel, I would say after reviewing the video on YouTube that you must learn when to be quite and when to speak up. As I see it, there are two sides of each story. Maybe you should watch the video and then perhaps your opinion of the accident will change.
As for T-Mac. I support his comments totally. These kids are fast and they lack the laps of experience. I'm not saying they should not race because they should, they are the future of our sport. They just need some veteran guidance on case scenarios.
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Unreal! Theres a young man in the hosptial right now with a future of recovery thats uncertain, and all everyone wants to do is point fingers. It doesnt really matter right now its over we cant change what happen that night, but we can pull together as a racing community and pray for Travis and his family.
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October 02, 2009 at
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Since I started the furor, let me jump in a bit. I originally posted something here because the article struck me as very curious as a whole, with Terry McCarl's quote being one of several things that didn't feel right to me. I doubt he could have given a very thorough analysis of what caused the crash, since if I have the timeline of it right he wasn't in the line of sight of it.
The bigger issue I had was with the tone of the story. It seemed to me like the reporter decided that he wanted to do a story about what "caused" the accident, and got locked into doing a story on how "youth" and the "renting of rides" was to blame. So he went with that angle, regardless of what actually happened in the crash (or that it's pretty tacky to start throwing blame around as someone fights for their life).
Having worked as a reporter for a major newspaper before, I'm usually not sympathetic to the "reporter with an agenda" card. However...in this case, it certainly read like that was what happened.
I have a lot of respect for David for coming on and giving his side of the story - I wasn't trying to assign blame, and I don't think that most reasonable people would have right then either.
Of course, if there are lessons to be learned from a bad accident that can prevent something similar from happening again, then we have to discuss it - unfortunately, that seems to be how improvements come about in this sport. Can someone who was there tell me about the damage to the fence. From what I've heard and have read, it sounds like it was really significant - as in "could have sent a car through the fence" bad.
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the you tube video shows a story how you call is is your own thoughts
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Posted By: lake_carl on October 02 2009 at 11:58:28 AM
the you tube video shows a story how you call is is your own thoughts
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post the link please.
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Posted By: SprintExaminer on October 02 2009 at 11:39:33 AM
Since I started the furor, let me jump in a bit. I originally posted something here because the article struck me as very curious as a whole, with Terry McCarl's quote being one of several things that didn't feel right to me. I doubt he could have given a very thorough analysis of what caused the crash, since if I have the timeline of it right he wasn't in the line of sight of it.
The bigger issue I had was with the tone of the story. It seemed to me like the reporter decided that he wanted to do a story about what "caused" the accident, and got locked into doing a story on how "youth" and the "renting of rides" was to blame. So he went with that angle, regardless of what actually happened in the crash (or that it's pretty tacky to start throwing blame around as someone fights for their life).
Having worked as a reporter for a major newspaper before, I'm usually not sympathetic to the "reporter with an agenda" card. However...in this case, it certainly read like that was what happened.
I have a lot of respect for David for coming on and giving his side of the story - I wasn't trying to assign blame, and I don't think that most reasonable people would have right then either.
Of course, if there are lessons to be learned from a bad accident that can prevent something similar from happening again, then we have to discuss it - unfortunately, that seems to be how improvements come about in this sport. Can someone who was there tell me about the damage to the fence. From what I've heard and have read, it sounds like it was really significant - as in "could have sent a car through the fence" bad.
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October 02, 2009 at
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Here's the link to the YouTube video, if you are interested in watching it. Use your own discretion to decide if you would like to view it or not.
I never proclaimed myself to be an "expert" - I'm just a guy who loves sprint car racing and asks questions. That's what a reporter should do - get interested in a topic and ask a lot of questions. Unfortunately, I feel like the reporter in Terre Haute had a story already written in his head and filled in the blanks from there.
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Posted By: StanM on October 02 2009 at 12:24:51 PM
One thing you should keep in mind if you're going to become a self proclaimed ex-spurt. Never grab hold of a sleeping dog's ears because once you do there ain't no lettin' go.
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LOL! That's a good one Stan!
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