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Creek-Gary Taylor

OCRS-Danny Smith, Danny Jennings, Chris Burns, Matt Sherrill, Mike Goodman & Jamie Passmore.

There was a rumor that Burns had been DQ's, but I don't know that to be a fact.. Just now got home from Ada.

Jason Harris won the mod.

Aaron Anderson won the limited mod.

Not sure on the other classess.

www.ascsracing.com for their results.

OCRS Sprints

HEAT 1 - 1, Danny Jennings. 2, Brian Bishop. 3, Matt Sherrell. 4, Tim Kent. 5, Ron Paris, Jr. 6, Dan Moreno.

HEAT 2 - 1, Danny Smith. 2, Evan Sewell. 3, Shane Pace. 4, Zach Beeler. 5, Andrew Deal. Chris Burns (DQ).

HEAT 3 - 1, Andy Shouse. 2, Mike Goodman. 3, Frank Dittman. 4, Rafe Essary. 5, Jamie Passmore. 6, Dustin Buntin.

HEAT 4 - 1, Kenneth Walker. 2, Dean Drake, Jr. 3, Dan Schnackenberg. 4, Jeff Garnett. DNS: Jeff Leep.

B FEATURE - 1, Jamie Passmore. 2, Ron Paris, Jr. 3, Zach Beeler. 4, Dustin Buntin. 5, Andrew Deal. 6, Dan Moreno.

A FEATURE - 1, Danny Smith. 2, Danny Jennings. 3, Matt Sherrell. 4, Andy Shouse. 5, Jamie Passmore. 6, Mike Goodman. 7, Evan Sewell. 8, Frank Dittman. 9, Shane Pace. 10, Zach Beeler. 11, Dustin Buntin. 12, Tim Kent. 13, Jeff Garnett. 14, Dan Schnackenberg. 15, Brian Bishop. 16, Dean Drake, Jr. 17, Kenneth Walker. 18, Ron Paris, Jr. 19, Rafe Essary. DQ: Chris Burns

David Smith Jr.
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What was Burns dq'd for?

The 97 was dq'd for a BIG carb. Was real funny to watch the gauge fall into the carb. The driver and dad just stood there with a blank expression. Excuse was the car was not cooled down enough. The other four were checked and found legal (which we knew they would). Came back to the 97 and the gauge fell into the carb again!! The driver and dad said that was the only carb they had. Good thing he didn't race this class all year or he would have been cheating all year. Makes you think doesn't it. My experience is, if a guy cheats once he has probably cheated before. The fact that this driver only races at one track and is the track, promoter, you name it, favorite makes you wonder if OKC knows how or what to check. This driver leaves the safety of knowing he can do anything at OKC and low and behold he is CHEATING!!! To be honest every driver in the pits at OKC is not surprised that this driver was cheating. Just glad someone knows what they are doing and he is exposed. OCRS is not perfect, they can be very picky about little things, (rock guards) but at least they are smart enough to have educated people performing the inspection. Wouldn't be surprised if the 97 stays at OKC now forever. He can keep doing what he has always done. Good to see good and longtime friend DJ run such a good race with a car with two nights on it and a rebuilt motor. David and I know that certain OKC drivers are legal and always will be!!

So I'm not crazy when I say they should tech more at the city?

Gonna have to agree 100% with you on this one sprintcrewman i always wondered about the 97 car no longer have to. I have seen sfs so slick no one can keep their tires under them and that 97 is stuck to it like its rubbered down. Hmmm what do they call that ummm oh yea traction control makes you wonder thats all.

You might want to get all your facts before you attack someones character. Burns could drive any piece of shit out there and at any track and run it up front. Now thats facts!

I'm not trying to attack character. Chris seems like a good person. Laid back, doesn't yell, accepts blame when it is his fault. I do have the facts. I watched the gauge fall into the carb along with others. The 97 is a little too strong just like nonwing48 said. We in the pits have all wondered. This time he got caught. By the way he raced at Ada and Okc. so far this year and didn't win at Ada. Ran at Enid and Okc last year and did win on rubbered down tracks. Can he win anywhere else?? Don't think we will ever know because he may not want to chance it. Face it HE GOT CAUGHT!! Chris is a good driver. Has he always cheated?? Who knows. But if you cheat once, you just may cheat again. If you race with an organization for the first time, the driver or crew will call said organization and go through the rules to make sure you are legal. That is what we do. Are little things missed, of course (rock guards!!). We even have our own wheel gauge to check the left rear. If we think we are close we check it. If we are concerned about headers we call. But motors and especially the carb for the OCRS, you should know the rules before hand. This is not about whether he can drive.

So if the 97 got dq'd, did they then go and check the 4j? I didn't see him pull to the infield to be checked.

i dont think this really answers anything about burns ------ by all rights - who is even still wandering? lol.

i think its very simple. most of the sprint cars at sfs are illegal. but i think its wrong on anyone to hold that against any of em. it should be held against the promoter. like July 4th when gastineau went out and decimated the field - 75% of everyone - and almost all of the pits too - was convinced he was illegal. it became almost a unanimous opinion that he was when a protest was LEGALLY attempted - i say attempted because the track refused to abide by their own rules and check gastineau. what kind of message does this send to every other race team - shit like this been happening hands down at sfs for at least the last 5 years. it really says - you can spend tens of thousands to go out and be legal - but not be as competitive against the guy who spends the extra 5-10k to get that extra bit of ILLEGAL leverage. it could be that - or at sfs you can just cheat by puttin stuff in the fuel. but didnt lanny reject protests of burns car too in 2007. i mean - hasnt this happened often - lanny refusing protests? and with many different drivers too?

my point is - if someone wins at sfs and is cheating - i dont hold against them - i hold it against the promoter who is the true cause of it. i bet some always were legal and then thought what the hell is the point in spending thousands to go out and be legal and not be on a level playing field? i know there is supposed to be a moral principle involved. but it all boils down to some very true words..........

WHEN SUCH A THING AS RULES DONT EVEN EXIST AT STATE FAIR SPEEDWAY - THEN HOW CAN SUCH A TERM AS ILLEGAL APPLY???

i think it all falls down to the promoter and the rulebook he puts together and how often he follows it. lanny follows it LITERALLY about 5% of the time. if lanny wouldnt have let it get so out of control - it would not have become the norm. lanny will always be lanny - and there will always be this illusion that he is this great hall of fame promoter - while in reality he poisons his tracks just as much or more as the good he does. he runs effectively quick shows - but throws everyone under the bus in the process. he makes a lot of money - but doesnt transfer that to the purse. the effectively quick part of his show aint all its cracked up to be either - because he probably does it so he can count his money quickly and get out as quick as possible. which also means rejecting legal protests so he doesnt have to stay himself - or pay others to stay and do it. the only way we will ever have a consistent practice of following his own rules concerning protests - is if someone were to be charitable and do it for free - in which he case lanny would still find something to yell at them for most likely.

hell i may be wrong - i dont care. but i do think burns is a hell of a driver. i also think passmore ha such superior equipment - and probably skill too - i doubt he has to cheat. he's ran ocrs for a long time - and i bet they check him most everytime. i bet that he is legal.

decent topic to talk about - but does anyone know whether or not Mid America even raced saturday night? - weird stuff up there by the kansas border from what i been reading.........

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we should also note that its KICKASS that 8 sprints from the okc area went down and raced ocrs. i think more should have - like twice as many - but - hey - i think thats the most that ever did. add gary owens and sellers and a couple others - ya got a dozen. i wonder why owens and the 2 sellers didnt go run it - anyone know? strike hill too

there a lot more that coulda went - but kudos to the ones who did. i was suprised there werent more tulsa area racers there. they usually take near 20 with them everywhere they go. maybe attrition is gettin after some of em. but then again - creek wasnt runnin champs. actually no one was except bms and they only had 10. maybe most the statewide champ sprinters enjoying some time off? nothing wrong with that - except that - i think OCRS is the best sprint series in the state - and should receive a level of support that reflects that. lol i should shut up - because even though i had a damn good reason (pneaumonia) - i wasnt there either..............

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Sellers is saving the motors for the 3 Nats.

OKC. I agree with you to a point, but you can't blame all the cheating of the promoter. Cheating starts in the shop when the driver decides to put that bigger carb on the motor and it ends with the promoter when he decides not to check the car out.

Alot of drivers don't want to spend the money to submit a protest. Ya got to remember what it costs to tear down a motor. But there are no teardown rules for sprints at SFS, Lawton, or Devilsbowl. So that eliminates the cost for gaskets for them neway.

Mike

I don't know if I agree that 75% of the cars are illegal at OKC. I know there are certain drivers that we would all like to see checked, and Chris was one of them. Again this is not about whether he can drive! This is about what you choose to do, race legal or not. Yes you can always test the boundaries, but you have to follow the rules. Maybe people who sit in the stands wondered about Whit. The guys who drive and work in the pits week after week never thought twice about Whit's good run. He had found a good set up and was making it work. I have talked to people who onlt sit in the stands and they think Chris is Great! But the guys in the pit area week after week may not feel the same way. I agree with nonwing48, everyone has wondered about Chris. HE GOT CAUGHT!! FINALLY!!!!

I do not know Chris Burns nor am I a big fan, but for some of you that believe in character assassination before reviewing or knowing the facts, OCRS has different and tighter carburetor rules than SFS.

I believe him when he says that's his only carburetor and as a past SFS champion and as many times as he has been in the top four, I'm sure the carburetor he was running has been checked and is perfectly legal at the SFS. He was however, incorrect in the assumption that if he was legal at SFS, he was legal under the OCRS mandates. That was a judgemental error on his part with no malice intended or perceived.

Read and assimilate the rules before you make accusations, jump to conclusions and start pointing fingers.

Maybe people should be asking who he borrowed the carb from??? Might find it even more interesting.....

Robert Sellers ran ASCS at Creek on Saturday night - Sooner Region

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If you get caught cheating it is your own fault and a reflection on your character. It says one of two things when you get caught cheating....... scenario A: you are too dumb to read a rule book before you drive an hour to go race in a race where you KNOW they will check. scenario B: you are smart enough to read the rules and choose to ignore them and do something illegal and hope like hell you don't get caught. Thats why I didn't run the race at Ada earlier in the year. I was smart enough to read the rules before we got things ready to go and see that my steel bowtie heads that are legal at OKC are not legal with OCRS. They got caught cheating whether it was intentional or not does not matter. How many people do you know that have gotten caught and gone "oh dang you caught me" they never "knew" it was illegal. Its always a "mistake".

Bobby Springer #25

I again say the carburetor he was running was probably the same one (SFS legal) he has been running all the time. It just was not legal under OCRS guidelines. His mistake though not intended.