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Just what we DON'T need another set of rules.

Sprint Cars Do It On Dirt!

This is just a slightly altered version of the Midwest Sprintcar Assoc. rules which runs in southeastern wisconsin. Just wonder if they are trying to create some joint racing at a few northern tracks, MSA claims to average 30-40 cars at their weekly shows.

Wow, a lot of harsh words already. They have not even had their first meeting yet! First of all, this series is not being run or organized by Cedar Lake Speedway but is hoping to run some or it's races there. Second, the ASCS rules have never worked in and around the Twin Cities area and are far too pricey for many drivers looking to break into the sport. Third, there are a lot of smart people who have been working for two years on this and I am guessing you may hear from them on this thread. There are countless other positives and many, many people who are behind it so please don't bash it before you even hear what their plans are. The goal is to have all of it's races within a small radius of the Twin Cities in an effort to reduce travel and related expenses. If anybody is truly interested in learning more there are a couple of threads dedicated to this series over on Stan's Minnesota Board that contain much more information. Oh, and one more thing. Nobody forced anybody to buy a DTRA Goodyear tire that was cheaper, lasted longer and didn't require an hour to sipe and groove.

Just what we don't need another series. We have ASCS, JSTS, MSA plus Jackson, Hartford, Husets running in the area.

Whine and complain all you want. All of the tracks and series you all mention run their own special set of rules anyway. History has shown that none of the cars from the Jackson, Sioux Falls area support the Twin Cities area with any consistency. Everybody always says we need a universal set of rules. They main argument always seems to be so that guys can travel. If a guy wants to travel, join the WoO. The Twin Cities has a large population base to draw from. The ASCS Northen Plains Series has been around for 3 years and I cannot name a single NEW car or driver they have gained in the Twin Cities area. Can you? I'm talking a kid that moved up from go-karts, a guy that switched over from stock cars, etc. I think this is a great idea. I'd be willing to put up money that we see at least 3-5 guys that have never raced sprint cars join this class in '09. I think all of you are missing the point. They're not trying to reinvent the wheel, just polish it. They want to create an affordable sprint car class around the Twin Cities and see if they can't make it grow. The ASCS is not for everybody. Goint with the IMCA sprint car rules wouldn't gain anyting either. Give it up.

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Please, if you are a person actually interested in making this series work attend the meeting in October. There is a lot of interest from people currently racing other classes who would love to drive a sprint car but can't afford to do so at an ASCS level. All the tracks a series mentioned above have nothing to offer anybody who lives in the Twin Cities and who wants to race sprint cars at an affordable level. This series is for those who have heard the horror stories about 35K 360 engines and can't possibly imagine affording to compete at that level. We have NOTHING here for sprint car racing in a metro area of nearly three million people but there is some interest outside of the current sprint car owners and drivers so the possibilities are encouraging.

A series that discourages Middle Easterner's from racing can't be all that bad...

"No Turban driven"

The MSA getting thrown into this is kinda odd as they are located in the North Eastern part of Wisconsin with 99% of the teams based within an hour and change of Plymouth. Not a chance they are gonna branch out and run anywhere but home based.

The threat of them running anywhere other than the Manitowoc Expo and Plymouth Dirt Track along with the one or two visits to say Dodge County, Charter, Angell and Chilton is not gonna be an issue as these tracks can book the MSA for around $5 grand.

It is unlikely to see an "outsider" run with the MSA, they are based far enough away from any other 360 class in the Midwest so as not to force drivers to make any kind of choice to run. No team would be wise or worth the travel to come all the way from Minnesota or far west Wisconsin to complete. The MSA is pretty much self-sustaining without outside assistance.

Michigan's Earl Possi might be the only exception, as he only runs the Plymouth shows, due to simply loving the track a ton.

www.MSASprints.Com

My comment was about how similar the rules looked. The problem I have is that they find more ways to make it affordable and then proceed to take pay cuts so the percentage of cost versus winnings is right back in the same area. Ask the MSA guys who were running for $400 to win a couple of years ago. MSA guys will still spend between $12,000 and $15,000 on the good motors that are out there.

Christy - Please reference Stan's Minnesota site and the threads over there for more info about drivers looking to move to sprint cars. Yes, it would be nice to have a commitment from all of them but at this point it sounds like they have enough cars to race without those drivers looking to move up. And of course it will take some investment but no more than it would take to put a midwest mod or super stock on the track. Hopefully we'll here more positive things in the coming months and we'll have semi-regular sprint car racing without putting Jackson, Knoxville or even Arlington miles into our drives to get to a show.