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September 05, 2008 at
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Posted By: Raceway Video on September 05 2008 at 09:02:06 PM
Please supply the link to anytime that John McCain ever stated that the war was won.
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Please supply any of your reply's that shows that you aren't complete close minded and brain washed. You didn't take the time to listen to what was said because you know it all. Wow, I've never met so many people that knew it all till I got on this forum..LOL
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I did take the time to watch. The whole premise of the video is that McCain thinks that because the surge was successful the war has been won.
This is the opening line "John McCain touted that success of the surge in Iraq at the Republican National Convention. Has the war in Iraq been won?
Please let me know where he has suggested anything even remotely close to that.
You watch this kind of blatantly oblivious hit piece and soak it up. I cant believe you guys gather information from watching this kind of crap. Have another glass of Kool-Aid
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The surge was just one more in a long line of Bush failures.
The objective of the "surge" was to quell the violence in Iraq until the Iraqi government could take over and run the country.
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Posted By: The_Truth_Detector on September 05 2008 at 11:23:28 PM
The surge was just one more in a long line of Bush failures.
The objective of the "surge" was to quell the violence in Iraq until the Iraqi government could take over and run the country.
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So Barry just said that the surge was very successful??? And now the Truth Detector says it was a failure? Damn, just don't know which Dem to listen to anymore. I am pretty sure there were more murders in Chicago in the last couple months then deaths of US troops in IRAQ in the same period. Thought the US was handing back the Anbar Province, the one with the worst violence, back to the Iraqies? Sounds like we are getting our asses kicked.
The easiest way to figure out how the war is going, look at the stories in the liberal media. If there are no stories, the war is going better then any liberal wants to admit.
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Obama's Speech Writer on the Surge - May 08 Interview
stay tuned for another "CHANGE" in clarifying his "strong" position...
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Posted By: JC on September 06 2008 at 12:06:09 AM
So Barry just said that the surge was very successful??? And now the Truth Detector says it was a failure? Damn, just don't know which Dem to listen to anymore. I am pretty sure there were more murders in Chicago in the last couple months then deaths of US troops in IRAQ in the same period. Thought the US was handing back the Anbar Province, the one with the worst violence, back to the Iraqies? Sounds like we are getting our asses kicked.
The easiest way to figure out how the war is going, look at the stories in the liberal media. If there are no stories, the war is going better then any liberal wants to admit.
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How many murders have there been in Chicago from IED's?
Remember, according to your president, the mission was accompished about 4 or 5 years ago...
Two things flourish during a piss poor economy.....taverns and crime... So, I guess that despite the news today of the jobs that have been lost in one sector, I guess Bush has created some jobs in another one.
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The surge looks like it did help and Obama is smart enough to admit it. W is still a dumbass for starting the war in Iraq in the first place. Where's the surge to find bin Laden? The whole country would have been behind that one.
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the mission for that ship was accomplished - and those sailors were returning to port.
then came the part of the war where our military was required to MAKE STAY AT HOME LIBERALS FEEL GOOD...
your boy just got kicked square in the nuts by a MILF and the liberal press is having a meltdown...Glenn Beck has it right - Palin will set back liberalism 30 years if MSNBC cannot drag Obama across the finish line.
Palin has already caused economic growth - tens of thousands of orders on the very next day for designer frames like hers from ladies all arou8nd the cou8ntry - i wonder how many ordered the Micjelle Obama "sun god" icon she wore for here speech?
what Barak's supporters are saying about their Sun God
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Hawker, who is your president??? Putin? Kim Jong IL? IMINAMOODFORAJIHAD? Or Maybe Al Gore is your president? What about John Kerry? Just wondering.
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Once again Duane can not comprehend that the difference is that the Republican party for years has preached from the moral high ground on "family values" and the correct way to lead your lives. Then, the miserable choice that you guys have to vote for for president, picks a VP runningmate who has a teenaged daughter who is pregnant!!! As usual, a bunch of hiypocrites. To top is off, Palin is a staunch supporter of teaching abstinance in public schools. How's that working out for her now?
Now, Duane posts a video of a "preacher" passing judgement on Obama's parents, because his mom was poor. Isn't there something in the bible about passing judgement? I guess that the people of the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition, who have placed themselves on the moral high ground are exempt from that. But I have to tell you one thing, for a person who came from meager beginnings to find their way in this world to the point that he has, it doesn't take much of a brain to figure out why he will win this election in a landslide. He WORKED for everything he has and has never had anything handed to him.
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not exactly - this particular preacher has been trying to end the "victimization" of inner city blacks by community organizers who promote MAINTAINING THE PROBLEMS with a nice ALLOWANCE to go along with staying right where you belong as a permanent victim.
his many sermons are there to verify this - i have watched dozens of them - this one sums up his mission. he is not afraid to identify the community organizers and the wake of poverety that remains in spite of their "success" stories:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMD0HIjydQk
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September 06, 2008 at
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Posted By: BigRightRear on September 06 2008 at 10:19:02 PM
not exactly - this particular preacher has been trying to end the "victimization" of inner city blacks by community organizers who promote MAINTAINING THE PROBLEMS with a nice ALLOWANCE to go along with staying right where you belong as a permanent victim.
his many sermons are there to verify this - i have watched dozens of them - this one sums up his mission. he is not afraid to identify the community organizers and the wake of poverety that remains in spite of their "success" stories:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMD0HIjydQk
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That's just not true, Oboma has been criticised for being to tough on blacks..read below for the truth and his own words...like "turning off the TV set; putting away the video games; attending those parent-teacher conferences; helping our children with their homework; setting a good example."
CINCINNATI -- Unswayed by the Rev. Jesse Jackson's disapproval, Sen. Barack Obama pressed his message Monday that African Americans needed to take more responsibility for their lives and families, a theme that had angered one of the icons of the civil rights movement.
Obama got a standing ovation at the annual NAACP convention here, presenting himself as a symbol of the political power that earlier black leaders had won. Touting the sacrifice of these activists, Obama said their courage had allowed him to "stand before you tonight as the Democratic nominee for president of the United States of America. But Obama, in diagnosing conditions in the black community, made it clear that he was prepared to break with the generation of black leadership represented by Jackson. He said that government and business alone couldn't be blamed for the pain suffusing some black neighborhoods, but that black parents needed to show more maturity and demand more from their children.
Parents, Obama said, must provide "guidance for our children."
He advised "turning off the TV set; putting away the video games; attending those parent-teacher conferences; helping our children with their homework; setting a good example."
He continued that parents needed to teach "our sons to treat women with respect and to realize responsibility does not end at conception. That what makes a man a man is not the ability to have a child but to raise one."
The largely black crowd roared its approval. In his implicit criticism that some black men neglect their children, Obama showed he was prepared to endure a breach with his political base. The move could have an upside: White voters might see it as an example of courage. The moment has a parallel in Bill Clinton's presidential campaign in 1992. Risking a backlash from his black supporters, Clinton criticized what he cast as racially divisive remarks from rap performer Sister Souljah. Clinton's move also created a schism with Jackson. With Jackson's denunciation of his comments still fresh, Obama could have faced a tepid or hostile response here. But the reception was warm. Yves Hood, a 32-year-old African American from Austin, Texas, who was attending the convention, said: "It's the right message at the right time. After seeing that it's possible for someone of color to achieve the success he's achieved in the political realm, people are ready to see more African Americans step up and start doing more than what is expected of us. So people are ready to hear that message."Bill Lynch, a New York campaign strategist, agreed that Obama's message would not hurt his African American support. "I think folks have heard it enough that those who don't like it will hold their quarter on it, and those who agree with him will applaud him," he said. Obama also raised this theme in a speech on Father's Day at a black church in Chicago. In that forum, he echoed controversial statements by comedian Bill Cosby, lamenting the large numbers of black children living in single-parent households and accusing many fathers of acting "like boys instead of men." Last week, Jackson lashed out at Obama for those remarks. Whispering to a fellow Fox News television guest in comments caught by a live microphone, Jackson said, "Barack, he's talking down to black people." And then, underscoring his anger, Jackson threatened to harm him. Jackson, who supports Obama, later apologized. But the hostility in his whispered aside pointed to strains in a generational shift in black leadership. For Obama, the breach with Jackson could prove helpful, demonstrating his independence from the politics of a black leader who, 20 years ago, was unable to win the broader ethnic and racial appeal that Obama enjoys. In his address to the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, Obama made a veiled reference to the flare-up with Jackson. "I know there are some who've been saying I've been too tough talking about responsibility," he said. "But NAACP, I'm here to report I'm not going to stop talking about it."
He suggested that a bargain was needed between the government and the African American community. As president, he said he would work to ramp up investment in neighborhoods, improve schools and find jobs for the unemployed. At the same time, African Americans must exercise more responsibility "in our own lives," he said.
If Obama's message deviates from that of Jackson, he does not seem to have suffered a backlash in the black community. A recent Gallup poll showed that 90% of black Democrats reported being "more enthusiastic" about voting this year than is normally the case. And 59% of blacks said that an Obama presidency would amount to one of the most important advances for African Americans in the last 100 years. What's more, Obama has proved more effective in delivering a message of personal responsibility than Cosby, said Silas Lee, a New Orleans pollster. To many African Americans, Cosby "came off as scolding" when he made some of the same points years ago, Lee said. But Obama's less confrontational style "doesn't arouse the fears of people, or doesn't fit into misguided stereotypes that people may have," said Lee, who has polled African Americans for Bill Clinton, John F. Kerry and Hillary Rodham Clinton. "It's been a fairly constant theme," he said, "and he hasn't had any negative repercussions on it." [email protected]
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the Atlah.Org has a different opinion and perspective than Obama's cheerleaders who work for newspapers and JAckson has been singled out by Pastor Manning in many sermons on youtube.
i guess some black ministers do not like to be lumped together with the community organizing vermin and are calling out their repeated failures as crimes against the congregation.
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What the hells wrong with you, can't you read? He say's just the opposite of what that guy said he say's or supposedly thinks. You sure have a hard time with the truth don't you? You have just read his words that he spoke to the NAACP, not someone else's words but his, Obamas. Personally I just think you are a coward who ever you are and I don't have much use for cowards when we need to stand up and be brave for a change. I'm Kenneth Lee Clever From Prescott Arizona, they call me BIGFISH, and I'm not afraid to stand up a be counted against this administration and McCain who backed it all the way no matter what he say's now. Yep BIGFISH
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living here in Columbus, Ohio... and having worked campaigns on both sides of the aisle I have been asking people I know are undecided, the guy at the gas station, the kid in the fileroom, the girl next to me in the weight room... who they're voting for and why... I ask and then just sit and listen...
some of the better answers...
"McCain looks more like a President..."
"Obama seems cool..."
from my Southern Ohio friends (and my personal favorite) "Obama is a terrorist, sent here by Bin Laden..."
"...I think McCain is really insane from his Vietnam days..."
"I like the music in McCain's commercials..."
I have yet to get a response based on either candidates position on global warming/foreign oil dependence, or the value of the US dollar/deficit spending, the credit crunch/foreclosure issues, AIDS/Cancer, or anything like that...
argh...
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look pal - get pissed off all you want - the girl (Palin) kicked your lightweight in the nuts - i think he is a jackass - just like half of America! (he is polling less than 50%) - the black minister says he's a piece of trash (he is entitled to his opinion).
maybe you should be posting over on the MSNBC board where they coddle liberal feelings over discussion...Obama wants to play in the big leagues but then says "that decision is above my pay grade" when he is asked a question in the first debate at Saddleback.
Glenn Beck was right on when he said that the rason the left is losing their minds is an Obama loss will set back liberalism 30 years and they may never recover - some have already lost your minds and we are still in September.
FACE IT - Biden has to do the heavy lifting for Obama and many are not sure he is up to the task. the cat fight between Michelle Obama and Hillary may ultimately cost Obama the race - Hillary would have sured up the female vote but NOW it remains at risk and Palin will challenge that risk even further.
will the sunday news cycle be talking about Obama's shriking lead? YES
will the sunday news cycle be talking about Palin's impact on the election? BIG TIME
will the sunday news cycle be talking about Obama's accomplishments as a community organizer and a guy who missed over 100 votes while he was supposed to be working for the voters of his state? NO
BUSH is not up for re-election and getting all worked up like he is will cost you the race, and what ever is left of your dignity the way you are going about things.
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Posted By: bahdubbieracer on September 06 2008 at 11:40:48 PM
living here in Columbus, Ohio... and having worked campaigns on both sides of the aisle I have been asking people I know are undecided, the guy at the gas station, the kid in the fileroom, the girl next to me in the weight room... who they're voting for and why... I ask and then just sit and listen...
some of the better answers...
"McCain looks more like a President..."
"Obama seems cool..."
from my Southern Ohio friends (and my personal favorite) "Obama is a terrorist, sent here by Bin Laden..."
"...I think McCain is really insane from his Vietnam days..."
"I like the music in McCain's commercials..."
I have yet to get a response based on either candidates position on global warming/foreign oil dependence, or the value of the US dollar/deficit spending, the credit crunch/foreclosure issues, AIDS/Cancer, or anything like that...
argh...
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I work at a community College and it sure isn't like it was in my youth when we had the Vietnam war and the draft. These young people for the most part don't have a clue and way to many don't even care, not alone getting involved in politics. I must say that more of them are aware of Obama and relate to him more than they do McCain.
Heck just by you saying the sentence below makes it one of the more intelligent post's, including some of mine..LOL
"I have yet to get a response based on either candidates position on global warming/foreign oil dependence, or the value of the US dollar/deficit spending, the credit crunch/foreclosure issues, AIDS/Cancer, or anything like that"...
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paying $4 a gallon for gas........
the war in Irag......
tax breaks for the weathly.......
global warming......
immigration.......
all of these things that some one has a "plan" to take care of mean nothing to me.....
i believe that we pay as much as other people in the world pay for gas relatively speaking....as a matter of fact if you took out all of the taxes added into a gallon of gas it would be much, much cheaper.
the war in Iraq.....well there is a reason that the United States is the supreme world power, and short of the nukes we must have and be willing to use the military might that we posess to display that to the rest of the world....i mean i have some sympathy for the soldiers and there families that have there lives interupted by this conflict....but hey.....they signed up for it...its not like its a suprise that your in the army and gotta risk your life.....fire fighters sometimes die in burning buildings...it sucks but they know it can happen, you train and train and take every precaution you can, but........
tax breaks for the weatlhy? please don't get me started.....like this has ever been solved its always been this way, and it always will. the golden rule is....the one with the gold, makes the rules.
global warming.....well, some scientists say its part of a natural cycle of the earth.....some say its carbon emmissions....i only have one thing to say about that....wasn't it really hot on the earth when the dinosaurs walked around? and what was all of this about the ice age and glacial movements....and wasn't it called the "dark ages" cuz the weather was cold and miserable and it non conducive to farming and whatnot.....geez now its getting warmer? hmmm does that mean in a million years we will have to stop "global cooling"? now to say pollution is bad for animal life on earth, i will agree with that, and we need to be better on our environment for our (humankind's) sake then i will join you in the recycling line while driving my electric car....(i love the geothermal heating system i just installed). but to say we are "destroying" the planet....come now.....how much power do you think we really have? this 3rd rock from the sun will be here forever, well at least until the sun goes supernova anyway.
immagration....the more the merrier, it's not like we are running out of land....are we? jobs....you say... well more people means that we need more goods and services and if those people are here legally, then they employers can't exactly exploit the situation and pay them next to nothing now can they...because they are legal and can get a job anywhere without fear of being deported.....no don't get me wrong i am not against border security....that i have very, very strong feelings about.....i wanna keep the bad guys out...no swimming across the rivers, or the deserts, or through Canada, or pretending to be a student.....its time to get tough on our borders...i do not want to give up any more liberty or freedoms to move about my country because the borders are like a sieve......
what it mainly comes down to for me, is abortion, i know, i know, i am a man and not a woman, so i shouldn't have any say in the matter.....right? WRONG, i personally believe that this is murder, and i would never have one, my wife would never have one.....my daughter would never have one.....anyone i know i would do my best to talk them out of it...using abortion as a means of birth control is just WRONG!.....how a woman who is blessed with this gift is able to bring herself to end the life that is growing inside her i will never understand.... Now with that being said.....if you want to go and do this........ i believe, as much as i am against it....you have every right to do what you want to do with your body.... i believe in your right to do anything you WANT to do as long as it doesn't infringe upon mine or anyone elses rights.......JUST DON'T use my $$ to do it...if you can pay for said abortion by yourself....then by all means murder away, your the one who must live with the consequences. but if my tax dollars subsidise it....then by jiminy i can't tolerate that.....that would make me party to your actions. I am not a religious nut or anything, i believe in the big bang and all that,(but i also believe that something hadda make the atoms that collided) but this one topic gets me. sorry for the long winded post......but that is my feelings on the whole right wing left wing action...they are essentially the same party politics when it come down to it..but they differ on this topic the most. because if you think Obama/Mcain is gonna get out of Iraq, or not drill in Alaska, or stop Global warming, your wrong, because it will be after the 3rd year, "my plan needs 2 more years"...lol. people invest too much in the president anyway, congress makes the laws people....
if you want to enact change that will effect you the most...pay more attention to your local government elections, you want to save real money, look after your school boards, i mean do your kids honestly need a $17, 000,000.00 highschool???????? i know i sure didn't. why is my electric bill so high when we can have free energy from the sun? oh....cuz coal is cheaper, thats why, you have to demand more from business, you can't regulate that kind of change, the market will demand it....throw a couple solar panels up on your roof, see what happens when your not "buying" electricity, but "selling" it back to the power companies. (i love my solar panels that power my geothermal system)
America is the greatest nation on earth, because we can still live out our lives with the dream of prosperity, and still exercise that life with freedom to whatever it is that makes us happy.
we don't have to agree on everything, most of us can't agree on wing/wingless....LOL but we all agree that a bad sprintcar race(whichever you prefer) is better than a good(does this exist?) nascar race.....LOL ...................................getting of of my soap box now........
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