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I have heard over the past couple weeks that Pennsylvania is getting its own regional series like the ASCoC. Interesting to see how it works and who commits to the full series.

Pa has had that for about 75 or more years and it has been working just fine.

If this series charges 5 or 10 bucks more to see the same guys I get to watch every week plus the bonus of time trials and fast guys starting up front. Hell I'm all for it.   

Aw, come on now.  It's just another series going up against an established order that will split car counts up over the state.  It will be good for sprint car racing.  Haven't you heard?  

Yea I have heard that. Without Williams Grove, Lincoln & Port Royal on board which is very unlikely it won't happen. Most tracks in Pa other than those three don't have the infrastructure to compete with them with purses. Also Pa is structured so few guys cross the mountains unless it is for big money. The western tracks don't want the top Central Pa. teams coming to most of their races. That is why they have their own speedweek with purses lower than the Central Pa track's weekly purse. I can see someone maybe try it but doubt it would succeed. The other tracks do try to capitalize on what those three maintain but doubt they could get crowds on a regular basis. Those three would likely get real friendly if someone threatened what they have going.

Bring back more regular shows !

More excuses for 4 wide salutes and time trials? Snappy slogans? Moving the sport forward? Coverage on a streaming service? 

I agree. They are losing families with all the high admission shows.

If Texas ever gets a regional sprint car series I hope they call it 'Austin City Limits'. 

Bingo. Slogans, TT and crowd salutes are things the sport does not need. Don't forget about some nonsensical redraw for the guys with the best motors. 

Now I'm confused. Doesn't everything you mentioned elevate the sport to the next level? I thought that race fans want the sport to constanlty reach higher levels. Higher levels bring higher prices and that's what today's fans seem to want.

100%.... I like the WoO but my weekly Knoxville shows are every bit as good.

Agree.  I don't do a lot of complaining about formats with WoO and HL. (because they are essentially the same thing with a slight twist and nothing more)   That said, if you gave me the power to put any format in place for 1-night shows, whether it be weekly racing, HL, WoO, or whatever, I would use Knoxville's Saturday night format without a second thought.  

If you gave me the power to put a format in place for multi-day shows, it would be some variation of the Knoxville Nationals format.  I say some variation because while I think all tracks would work great for a points system on multi-day shows, I don't think most would work well with an 8-car invert.  Even a 6-car invert is pushing it with some tracks with today's cars.  

Just my thoughts.  Knoxville has the qualifying and points thing figured out, and it almost always produces a great show.   

Yeah, count me in too. Sure hope they have ever exciting dash redraw and dash too.

Start off with time trials at the Icebreaker and just have them every night, at every track, all year, instead of May through October.

     Ooh! Ooh! Don't forget to have some little program thing to draw out the re-draw process and add excitement to a random draw! Then, re-work the track for 20 minutes.

So, if I'm reading all of the sarcasm correctly, everyone seems to be on board with:

1.  Pits open at 5:00

2.  Draw names from a hat at 6:00 to set feature lineups.  1-20 go to A and 21-? go to the B.  

3.  Run the features (on an extremely narrow track might I add) 

4.  Home for Matlock reruns by 7:30.  

Do I have it about correct?  No thanks.  I'll take the complete show, qualifying, heats, dash, and features.  JMO though. 

Your comment made me curous about Knoxville weekly format, so i looked it up. I see that A main is lined up by adding qualifying & heats points, but couldn't find how the points work...

So do you know how points are awarded for heats & TTs? or where to find it? Same as Nationals maybe?

I like the idea of inverting 6 to make the heats interesting, but counting TT points too so fast guys don't get screwed...

I am almost positive it is 200 points for qualifying (dropping by 2) and 100 points for heats (dropping by 3) just like the Nats. (It could be slightly different, but if so, it's pretty close)  They invert heats by 6. (Unlike 8 for the Nats) The main difference is who qualifies for the A-main.  There is no transfer spot in the weekly shows.  They simply add points from qualifying and heats.  Top-20 in points make the feature.  There is an invert draw of 0, 2, 4, 6, or 8.  

I assume your four points must be sarcasm also, unless your reading comprehension is nonexistent. You can have your TTs and and fast cars starting up front, no one is stopping you, just let other fans enjoy racing the way they want. 

Thanks. I didn't know about the invert draw on A-Main. That adds a BIG element of luck

The whole 200 pts. for TTs & 100 for heats makes it confusing. Seems that the 3 pt. difference in heats vs. 2 in TTs makes heats more important, but then again there are more guys qualifying than in each heat.... gotta do some calculations to figure that out. If there are 30 entries, mid pack is down 30 points. 8 in heats? Mid pack would be down 12...hmmm

I'm convinced that there is no perfect format